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- From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
- Subject: Re: Male Men Bashers
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.024210.22089@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
- Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 02:42:10 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan20.012450.17072@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
- >Janice, I wish every woman would think as you do. Unfortunately, in the
- >sphere of people I happen to run across, the stereotype of the woman with
- >the self centered abusive/mysoginst asshole is prevalent enough make me
- >depressed sometimes. I even know of woman who stick with their *physically*
- >abusive partners through thick and thin. These men typically have something
- >about them (i dunno....nice car? money? idunno) that I suppose makes them
- >desirable (good bodies? good cooking? idunno). Virtually all of these men
- >that I might talk to in private refer to women as 'them bitches' or other
- >derogatory terms. THey *know* that they have this 'charm' or whatever it is
- >to "get the babes".
- >
- >About 4 years ago I think I almost became brainwashed into thinking that
- >YES, perhaps if I was a jerk like these other guys then women would pay
- >attention to me. But then instructional wisdom reasoned out that I might
- >not want to be close to a woman who would be attracted to an abusive SOB
- >anyway.
- >
- >What I am trying to say is that it is not totally unfounded for many men
- >to perceive that women DON'T like 'nice guys'.
- >
- >363 months on this planet and still optimistic that there are many more
- >women like Janice out there.............
-
- Oh, come on!
-
- And women don't see men out with women who are pretty and nothing
- else? I bet I can find a "nice girl" woman for every "nice guy" man.
- I know plenty of great women who are looking for men only to be told
- they're too fat, or too old, or too educated, or not pretty enough to
- be considered dating material.
-
- I also know men who seem to choose women who will screw them over. I
- had a male friend who was crazy about a woman. On their third date,
- she said that she wasn't enjoying the date and would prefer to have
- stayed home alone. Then to add insult to injury, she said that she
- really was interested in dating this other man. He took her home.
- Did he stop calling her? Did he say, "What a bitch! That's the last
- time I'll call her!"? No way. He kept asking her out and, if she
- didn't have anything better to do, she kept going out with him. After
- hearing this lament from him for a couple of months, I finally asked
- him why he kept asking her out. Because she was so pretty and how
- impressed his friends were with her (and him).
-
-