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- From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
- Subject: Re: Male Men Bashers
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.021251.7678@wam.umd.edu>
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- References: <1993Jan15.171843.3065@wam.umd.edu> <1993Jan15.182148.7154@wam.umd.edu> <1993Jan17.014306.7372@adobe.com>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:12:51 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan17.014306.7372@adobe.com> kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan15.182148.7154@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
- >> Ahem. Anyone who truly believes that women seek "nice, sensitive
- >> guys" for their mates is seriously deluded.
- >
- >OK. Let's define what "nice, sensitive guy" means...
- >
- >I am a woman and I wanted a "nice, sensitive guy". I've dated self-centered
- >jerks and as I matured and came to care more about my own "quality of life"
- >(yep - it's, arghhh, SELF-ESTEEM!), I quit seeing the self-centered jerks
- >as better-than-me-and-therefore-desirable, and saw them as self-centered
- >jerks not worth wasting my time on.
-
-
- How old were you?
-
- This is precisely my point. I accept that women change *after*
- they age, but the fact is, young women actively seek out the
- abusive, until they mature and get a little self respect
- (say, age 28 to 30, earlier for some, later or never for others).
-
- Men have a different fixation (for which we tend to take a lot
- of heat). What you fail to realize is that after spending all of
- this time training us to be a certain way, you up and change the
- requirements for what you're looking for.
-
-
- And then have the gall to be angry that the only nice guys left
- are those that were shy.
-
- To me, it's a given. I have tested it. Act kind, understanding--
- no chance. Be self centered, aloof and somewhat cold? They come
- at you like flys to garbage.
-
-
- >"senstive" means they constantly question decisions, "Are you sure you
- >want to do ______?" Overly insecure men ARE NOT attractive to most women.
-
-
- Are you sure this isn't because they're paranoid about false
- rape charges? Other things? (For one, I've had, and my friends
- have gone out with many a lousy date--never has it really gone
- beyond the immediate in-group. With women, on the other hand,
- I've seen guys crucified in "passing the news" conversations..)
-
-
-
- >Yamanari, what qualities do you look for in a woman? What is you concept
- >of the ideal relationship - for you? How do you expect to be treated?
- >How do you expect to treat your partner?
-
-
- This is not relavent to the issue, and belongs in email anyway.
- --
- Attempts to lessen the burden of proof in rape trials are an assault
- on out civil liberties. Support equality, not revenge.
- --- boycott == coercion == censorship == closed mindedness == cowardice ---
- Pyramid schemes are illegal unless you're the US government.
-