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- From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
- Subject: Re: Feminist=Equality? Errrr.... Nope.
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.195530.21440@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>
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- References: <C131zH.52q@ddsw1.mcs.com> <1993Jan19.181634.19947@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> <C1822K.B1G@ddsw1.mcs.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:55:30 GMT
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- In article <C1822K.B1G@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan19.181634.19947@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
- >>In article <C131zH.52q@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
- >>>
- >>>And I've done some stupid things while drunk.
- >>>
- >>>However, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MY ACTIONS WHILE DRUNK.
- >>>
- >>>In fact, society holds me responsible for my actions while drunk, including
- >>>what I consent to. Why is it different for women in bed?
- >>
- >>Suppose you were passed out drunk and someone stole your wallet.
- >>Wouldn't you like to prosecute the person who stole it? I think
- >>society, while acknowledgeing that being that drunk is a
- >>stupid thing to do, would find the thief guilty of robbery.
- >
- >If I'm passed out I cannot give consent to sex or giving away my wallet.
- >Straw man argument deleted.
-
- It's not a strawman. While I'm sure you don't feel this way, I
- have known men and women who feel that a passed-out woman is fair
- game and deserves what she gets. These same people would raise
- a loud cry if their wallet was stolen while they were passed out.
-
- >
- >>People, male or female, are going to find loopholes in laws
- >>and take advantage of them. However, the fact that some women
- >>say they were raped when they weren't does not mean that *no*
- >>woman is ever raped in similar circumstances.
- >
- >Didn't say it does. However, I do say that if you get willfully drunk, but
- >are <conscious>, and give consent then you have. Period.
-
- I say it depends on circumstances. Two drunks mutually consenting
- to sex is not rape of anybody, regardless of how they feel the
- next day. However, a sober person seducing a drunk person (and
- knowing the drunk person wouldn't consent while sober) is taking
- advantage of that person. While this sober person is not as criminal
- as the person who jumps out a bush and assaults another person, I
- feel they are definitely wrong and some sort of punishment is required.
- (If it's a YoungAndStupid(tm) person, then they are in need of
- serious maturity and should get off with a lighter sentence than
- an OlderAndWiser(tm) person who should know better.) A stiff
- talking to is also required for the drunk person.
-
- Julie
- DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
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