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- From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
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- Subject: Re: Hobbits in the Undying Lands
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- Date: 28 Jan 93 02:24:28 GMT
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- In article <1k3r95INN84d@digex.digex.com>
- dzik@access.digex.com (Joseph Dzikiewicz) writes:
-
- > In article <jjonsson.347@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
- > >
- > >My impression has always been that the Undying Lands are more than likely
- > >just a metaphor for some sort of paradise or heaven. After all, they
- > >separated physically from Middle Earth at some point late in the second or
- > >early in the third age of the sun. (Wasn't it after the Numenorean attack?
- > >Someone check me on this.)
- >
- > That works for me in the context of LOTR. In fact, that's how I viewed
- > it on my first reading of LOTR (a few years before the Silmarillion
- > was published). However, it does not work in the greater context of
- > Middle Earth as described in the Silmarillion.
- >
- > I don't think this necessarily has to be a case where there is a
- > discrepancy between the different books.
- >
- > (Incidently, I prefer the more poetic view of the voyage to the
- > Undying Lands being effectively moving to heaven. I just don't
- > think that this squares with the Silmarillion, wherein the Undying
- > Lands are a definite place and not just a metaphor.)
-
- I have no probably relating them in either context. After all, the
- Valar are god-like and the Maia who were in Arda could be considered
- demi-gods.... anyone of a lesser order would consider this heaven or
- paradise. The journey the elves made to Arda from ME was like 'exodus'
- to the 'promise land' or paradise. Of course the Undying Lands seemed
- like a definite place because a good deal of the events in the
- Silmarillion happened there. The physical moving of the Undying Lands
- happened thousands of years before the third age when the stories of
- the Hobbit and LotR all took place. By then the Undying Lands were
- merely a legend or myth...certainly anyone who believed in it's
- existence considered it to heaven. My $0.02....
-
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