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- From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
- Subject: Re: Hobbits in the Undying Lands
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.000651.12893@netcom.com>
- Organization: Castle Anthrax
- References: <9301252152.AA02449@york.cs.ucla.edu> <1993Jan25.224634.25093@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> <1k3qagINN7ab@digex.digex.com>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:06:51 GMT
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- In article <1k3qagINN7ab@digex.digex.com> dzik@access.digex.com (Joseph Dzikiewicz) writes:
- >
- >In the Silmarillion, death is Illuvatar's gift to men. Even the Valar
- >cannot take it from them.
- >
- >Does this mean that Illuvatar personally intervened to allow Frodo, Sam,
- >and Bilbo to enter the Undying Lands? Certainly it is beyond the
- >authority of the Valar to grant this.
-
- All this presumes that Frodo and Bilbo will live forever because they
- are in the Undying Lands. This directly contradicts the _Akallabeth_,
- in which the emissaries of Manwe say:
-
- ...Were you so to voyage... to Aman, the Blessed Realm,
- little would it profit you. For it is not the land of
- Manwe that makes its people deathless, but the Deathless
- that dwell therein have hallowed the land; and there you
- would but wither and grow weary the sooner, as moths in a
- light too strong and steadfast.
-
- Perhaps Bilbo and Frodo did not "wither and grow weary", as I suspect
- that they stayed in Tol Eressea instead of going to Aman itself; but
- there is no reason to think they did not age, or that they lost the Doom
- of Men.
- --
- Andrew Solovay
-
- "Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
- ---The Tick
-