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- From: szymon@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl (Szymon Sokol)
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- Subject: Re: Hobbits (was Re: Bombadil), and Maiar/N
- Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:50:53 +0100
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- Broughton, Wayne Jeremy (waynebro@juliet.caltech.edu) wrote:
- : Was it really known that a *Balrog* per se was Durin's Bane? I don't
- : know if Gimli actually "recognized" the Balrog as a Balrog; rather he
- : just realized that this terror in front of him was the embodiment of
- : the nightmarish descriptions he had heard of Durin's Bane. And Legolas
- : sure sounded kind of surprised at what he saw when he shouted "Ai-ee,
- : a Balrog!" or some such. Do you know of a textual reference that suggests
- : that Durin's Bane had been known to be a Balrog? Remember that a
- : reference written from the post-Third Age point of view might have included
- : the info that it was a Balrog in hindsight.
-
- Well, Durin was killed by a Balrog, as well as his son Nain the First (?),
- and the Dwarves left Moria a year later. It is written in the chronicles
- of the ME (one of the appendices to the LOTR). Therefore I suggested that
- Gimli's words "Durin's Bane!" meant that he recognized Balrog.
- Of course, it is not completely clear that it was known to the heroes of LOTR,
- but I have thought that if the dwarves spent one more year in Moria *after*
- Durin's death, they had to fight against orcs and they probably learned that
- there is someone more powerful than mere orcs. In addition: if Gimli did not
- know that Durin had been killed by the Balrog, why did he decided to call
- the Balrog "Durin's Bane" ? If he knew nothing about circumstances of Durin's
- death, he could attribute it to orcs as well, couldn't he?
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