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- From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
- Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: control
- Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:26:41 -0800
- Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
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- In article <1993Jan27.173349.23024@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
- >Hmm...That's not what I'm concerned about, really. I'm concerned about
- >the logical problems that this brings up. Consider: If, as I say,
- >having to register for the draft makes you less than a person,
- >then men are made less than people. If women are denied their
- >reproductive rights and made less than people, then I don't quite
- >see what you're using as a benchmark for what a person is. You see
- >what I'm trying to say? I know the argument isn't very clear, but
- >I hope it's clear enough. IF not, I'll try to clarify.
-
- What, that by definition everybody is then
- 'less than a human?' Is that what you mean to say?
-
- I believe that the imposition of the 'slavery' we are speaking of (for men,
- conscription, for women, forced birth) is a term condition. Like slavery,
- one is less than human when subject to the whim of others (i.e., conscription,
- slavery and forced birth) but regains their rights at another time period
- (when freed from slavery, conscription or forced birth).
-
- Not that I figure a term of slavery is a good idea or anything. But it frankly
- doesn't make any more sense to me that the government could force men to
- fight for their country against their will (though there is the 'out' for a
- conscientious objector) than forcing women to bear children. If the country,
- or the society, is so sick that people who share it with others are unwilling
- to fight/bear children, then the country/society is too sick to survive, and
- should be allowed to die. Which is to say, in a 'moral' universe (yep, that's
- flamebait, folks) pure self interest would function to create and maintain
- nations if and only if nations were a useful social construct. Ditto birthing.
- Therefore, personal choice is the motor behind all social interaction.
-
-
- Adrienne Regard
-