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- From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
- Subject: Re: The Schedule of Classes
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.173707.21844@eff.org>
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:37:07 GMT
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- morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
-
- [...]
- >*Tons* of public information is routinely controlled by
- >administrations. You can get the UK salary list <we're state
- >employees, after all>, but you have to sign for it and pay the
- >copying costs.
-
- As far as I know Eric would have been willing to sign for the
- information and pay for copying costs.
-
- In any case, Berkeley's attempt controls were much broader; they tried
- to restrict access to the information because they didn't approve of
- how they thought it would be used.
-
- (Here at U. of Illinois, salary information is in the library.)
-
- [...]
- >You can get the US Census data, but there are bureaucratic procedures
- >to be observed.
-
- I can get census information (from CD ROMS) at the library. Also, I've
- never heard of a US administration restricting access to census
- information because they didn't approve of how they thought it would
- be used.
-
- >The US government routinely classifies "public information" as "For
- >Official Use Only", "Confidential", "Secret", "Top Secret", et
- >cetera.
-
- The class schedule is not classified.
-
- [...]
- >This discussion prompted me to examine the UK Schedule of Classes
- >more carefully. Guess what I found on page 3?
-
- > (C) 1992, University of Kentucky
-
- The Supreme Court recently affirmed that noncreative collections of
- facts (e.g. the white pages of the phone book) are not copyrightable.
- I don't believe that a class schedule qualifies for copyright.
-
- >I don't know the copyright status of UCB's Schedule, but I would
- >hazard a guess that it would change the situation somewhat, eh?
- [...]
-
- If class schedules qualified for copyright protection, if Berkeley and
- State of California policy allowed copyrights to be claimed on things
- like class schedules, if Berkeley actually claimed a copyright on the
- class schedule, and if Eric's request had been denied on copyright
- grounds, then yes, indeed, that would be a very different situation.
-
- [...]
- >Give us a break, Carl. What good would it do to throw online
- >copies to whomever wanted them (or throw one up for anonymous
- >FTP), if those copies will be obsolete within a day?
- [...]
-
- This is not for a unit of government to decide. The government *does*
- sometimes have grounds to restrict information (e.g. privacy, national
- security). None of those grounds apply here.
-
- [...]
- >Do you acknowledge that:
-
- > - The Schedule of Classes is an important document for students?
- yes
- > - The accuracy of such a document is essential to its proper and
- > efficient use?
- yes
- > - The Registrar's Office is obliged to ensure its accuracy?
-
- NO, the government has no authority to restrict otherwise public
- information on these grounds. If it did, it would be able to restrict
- *all* government information.
-
- [...]
- >I don't know why hh is only confronted with charges of "hardware misuse";
- >perhaps he should be <somewhat> grateful that he doesn't face charges such
- >as disregarding instructions of University staff in performance of their
- >duties <he asked permission and was refused, for the very reasons I've
- >stated.>
- [...]
-
- I don't believe he was instructed not to download the data himself.
-
- - Carl
- --
- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
- =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
-