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- From: morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
- Subject: Re: The Schedule of Classes
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- Sender: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
- Organization: University of Kentucky Engineering Computing Center
- References: <C1F2Bo.4u9@ms.uky.edu> <1k1din$8pn@agate.berkeley.edu> <1993Jan25.194346.3935@eff.org>
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:38:06 GMT
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- kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) wrote:
- >tom@soda.berkeley.edu (Tom Holub) writes:
- >
- >[...]
- >>I would agree, though, that it's also inexcusable to circumvent normal
- >>channels to impose your view of what is 'right' on an administration
- >>of people who are paid to make these decisions.
- >[...]
- >
- >I don't believe this is correct.
-
- Somehow, I didn't think you would, Carl. 8)
-
- >The administration is not paid to
- >decide how and if individuals will publish public information.
-
- Hogwash, horse hooey, and balderdash. *Tons* of public information is
- routinely controlled by administrations. You can get the UK salary
- list <we're state employees, after all>, but you have to sign for it
- and pay the copying costs. In some states, you can't get a state employee's
- *exact* salary; you can only get the salary range associated with that
- position. You can get the US Census data, but there are bureaucratic
- procedures to be observed. The US government routinely classifies
- "public information" as "For Official Use Only", "Confidential", "Secret",
- "Top Secret", et cetera. It's public information, but government
- employees routinely determine its distribution. Even when you make an
- FOIA request <which, as I understand it, defines almost all government
- documents as public information>, *someone* reviews the material, possibly
- making deletions before sending it to you. (I should scan in my military
- records, so you can see all the deletions.) During my military service, I
- used a text which I could show to anyone I pleased *as long as* a particular
- section was removed; when that section was present, it was a Top Secret
- document.
-
- This discussion prompted me to examine the UK Schedule of Classes
- more carefully. Guess what I found on page 3?
-
- (C) 1992, University of Kentucky
-
- I don't know the copyright status of UCB's Schedule, but I would
- hazard a guess that it would change the situation somewhat, eh?
-
- >When it
- >makes such decisions, it exceeds and abuses its authority.
-
- Give us a break, Carl. What good would it do to throw online
- copies to whomever wanted them (or throw one up for anonymous
- FTP), if those copies will be obsolete within a day? I think
- that, in a time-critical situation such as this, the Registrar
- was actually *honoring* its obligation(s) to the students with
- its decision.
-
- If the Registrar posted an online copy and refused to update it, I
- think we'd see a geyser of outrage. Why should we endorse such an
- action by an individual?
-
- >The victim
- >of such an abuse is under no moral obligation to submit while the
- >matter is decided via "normal channels".
-
- Do you acknowledge that:
-
- - The Schedule of Classes is an important document for students?
- - The accuracy of such a document is essential to its proper and
- efficient use?
- - The Registrar's Office is obliged to ensure its accuracy?
-
- Course schedules change on a daily (hourly?) basis. I just discovered
- that UK now updates its online schedule 4 times each day to account for
- the rapid rate of change. An unauthorized copy (we might as well call
- it a "bootleg" - it fits the definition) which is not maintained is a
- *disservice* to the students. When students base their proposed schedules
- on hh's bootleg copy and discover that courses/seats aren't available,
- they aren't going to complain to hh; they'll complain to the Registrar,
- their departments, and their faculty. Again, I speak from recent
- experience....8(
-
- Until last semester, I agreed with hh. However, my online copy <made
- with permission> created more problems than it solved, thanks to my
- inability to update it <it was updated on the other systems via RSCS,
- and my versions of Unix "no hablan RSCS">.
-
- I don't know why hh is only confronted with charges of "hardware misuse";
- perhaps he should be <somewhat> grateful that he doesn't face charges such
- as disregarding instructions of University staff in performance of their
- duties <he asked permission and was refused, for the very reasons I've
- stated.>
-
- --Wes
-
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