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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- Subject: Re: Indiana Welfare
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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:29:38 GMT
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- lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca writes:
- >noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
- >><qyqZXB1w165w@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca> lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca writes
- >> >garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod) writes:
-
- [...]
-
- >Yes, people will survive somehow on whatever they can. My concern is that that
- >should not compute to, "Well, she's managed to get by on $400/mo. for herself
- >and our children without any support from me, so I therefore deduce that she
- >is not legitimately in need of any child support from me...to pay it would
- >simply amount to alimony."
-
- Yes, I agree with your caution. (In the same way, courts should not
- say, "Well, he managed to support standard of living X for her and
- her children before, so he should continue now, despite having two
- households.")
-
-
- >I'd just as soon never see or hear from my ex again. Still, he's the kids'
- >dad, so I see him all the time. If he had custody, I would want to contribute
- >whatever child support I could, within reason (depending on our incomes, etc..),
- >to ensure that he had an adequate income with which to provide a decent standard
- >of living for our children.
-
- I think you'll find this attitude from a lot of NCP's [assuming you
- do mean "child support," not alimony].
-
- The love and generosity of NCP's can be obscured by a legal system
- that strips them of expressing their love through direct contact,
- through decision-making powers, through directly buying necessities
- and presents (because the money is taken away first).
-
- Would you be willing to generously and happily contribute whatever
- child support you could, if it were legally mandated -- and if the
- legal levels were consistently far higher than your opinion of
- "whatever I could"? Would you happily contribute more than
- the legal requirements if you were unable to see your daughters?
- If you were forced to include alimony in your child support?
-
- It's these problems that make it appear that NCP's are irresponsible
- and pay as minimally as possible -- which leads to the circular
- conclusion that NCP's should be forced even more strongly to pay.
-
-
- > I'm perfectly willing to support my children and
- >> am quite capable of doing so. However, she isn't. If it weren't for
- >> my child support, she would be destitute.
- >
- >Right. So maybe there's a legitimate need for child support here?
-
- It sounds like there's a legitimate need to reduce child support
- because it includes alimony. If the father can raise the children
- as well as the mother, then in the "best interests" of the children,
- the mother should get a job, too, and the father should have custody,
- since he is competent to handle *both*, unlike her.
-
- It makes more sense, in the blind "best interests"-view of the world.
- Furthermore, without loss to the children (since the parents are equally
- qualified), there's no need to enforce alimony (or higher "child" support).
-
- Don
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