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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- Newsgroups: alt.child-support
- Subject: Bishop Flames (Re: Indiana Welfare)
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 15:12:03 GMT
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- sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
- >beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
-
- >> Lisa, it would help a lot if you'd avoid the tirades against NCP's
- >> and against anyone who thinks that "child" support is too high.
- >>
- >> Sometimes, you seem rational -- but then comes a post full of anger
- >> and hate (here, you have five !'s, a couple of ???'s, plus a "God
- >> forbid" and a "sure as hell" to lash out against people who have
- >> different opinions). The point being, regardless of whether you are
- >> justified or not, you show little respect for people who don't share
- >> your opinion.
- >>
- >
- >A complaint about hostility? From the Beave? Wow.....
- >
- >> I am one of those people, and I would like to discuss child support
- >> rationally. Unlike the lurkers that Sue Bishop mentioned, I'm not
- >> afraid of your negativity, but I would still like to hear agreeing
- >> and opposing views, without personal attacks.
- >
- >I just couldn't let this pass. Don, you are suggesting that the lurkers
- >were afraid of *Lisa's* hostility. They weren't. They were afraid of
- >yours.
-
- I realize you can't let anything pass. Your interpretation is wrong.
-
-
- >> I was starting to think that your support group's goals were
- >> reasonably balanced -- but I'm a bit worried that it's like
- >> gender-neutral laws: the bias can be read between the lines.
-
- >The vast amount of gender bias in this group has come from you and Alan.
- >Once again, while Lisa is being a little extreme, you seem to be trying
- >to rekindle the flame war. Sigh, get a grip, will you? Or are we going
- >back to the alt.child-support.male-only again?
-
-
- I prefixed my comments with "Lisa" -- but it is no surprise that
- Sue Bishop returned to bat.
-
- Sue, I disagree with you. In my opinion, the vast amount of *gender*
- bias has come from you, as well as the hostility. Above, I made
- some comments to Lisa about how her article sounded, and you respond
- with name-calling and accusations. I find it hypocritical of you
- to condone Lisa's "being a little extreme."
-
-
- I regard this group as a forum for all people, men and women,
- CP's and NCP's and parents and nonparents, to discuss their opinions
- of child support levels and enforcement-related issues.
-
- If you would like to start alt.child-support.sue_and_lurkers_only,
- be my guest.
-
- But I hope people can state their opinions here, even when they disagree,
- without escalating to name-calling and hostilities. It is those
- escalations that scare off the unidentified lurkers you want to protect,
- Sue. They also scare off the lurking NCP's who are used to tirades
- about "deadbeat dad's." Does your sympathy extend to them as well?
-
- Don
- --
- beaver@cs.psu.edu Opinions from the PC-challenged
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