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- From: danielle@micro.caltech.edu (Danielle Sanine)
- Newsgroups: alt.child-support
- Subject: Re: CHILD support
- Date: 22 Jan 93 19:48:03 GMT
- Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
- Lines: 77
- Message-ID: <danielle.727732083@micro>
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- jsw@cray.com (Jon S. Wood) writes:
-
- >In article 727494769@micro, danielle@micro.caltech.edu (Danielle Sanine) writes:
- >>Just how do you equate supporting one's ex-spouse with hidden alimony
- >>and the moral obligation we all have to our children? I see NO
- >>relationship.
- >>
- >>Danielle
- >>
-
- > Believe it or not, a staff member of legislator and former committee chairmanette
- >of the Health and Social Services group (Linda Berglin) in the Mn legislature told
- >me that child support is not equal. It is just that we are getting back
- >what historically has been a man dominated world.
-
- > You and I are in the same boat, NCPs.
-
- > Historically and at present, NCP bashing is a feminist accupation. You just
- >happen to be an extreme, but growing minority.
-
- >Danielle, do people of both genders presume that you must be one hell of
- >a wicked person. Come ON!, a mother who doesn't have custody?! (if ya get
- >my drift).
-
- >I would think that a women NCP would have a rough go at it. More so than men.
- >Hell, the world presumes a male NCP beat his kids and raped his wife. Having
- >no guilt, it don't bother me if they think that way.
- >But what about a women NCP?
- >Have ya had one of those do-gooder government bureaurocrat types slip up
- >in front of you like....
- (deletions)
-
- Actually, I thought I had posted quite a long response to Lisa detailing
- just what it is like to be a female NCP, but it turns out I hit the
- wrong key and only "responded" instead of "following up". I wish I
- still had the post, but here is an abbreviated response:
-
- There is tremendous prejudice against female NCPs. EVERYONE assumes
- you must be a horrible person if you don't have custody. I'll bet
- not many men habitually get asked "Why don't you have custody? (Lisa's
- question). Now I realize this is somewhat because the system is
- so biased againse male CPs that my case is unusual, therefore suspect.
- The facts are that my ex was a widower with 2 great kids. After 2 yrs,
- I adopted the kids. We separated a year later. I wanted custody
- because I feared his ability to cope with single parenting (he had
- drinking problems, was emotionally abusive and was becoming more
- physically violent). He threatened me if I fought for custody. I
- had every reason to believe his threats. Those are the facts, plus
- the fact that my ex earns 1-1/2 times what I do and gets $500/month
- tax free from the SS Admin. for the kids since their bio mother
- died. There is also the "fact" that I gave up nearly $10,000 in
- equity to get reasonable child support payments ($350/month) which
- he renegged on 1 year later, taking me back to court in an effort
- to double my payments. (He was angry because I would not give
- up my Decree'd holiday time with the kids. The kids did not want
- to change the schedule, but this did not matter to him). Well
- the judge didn't care much for facts. He just saw a golden
- opportunity to right the gender bias wrongs. He awarded by ex
- $783/month in cs. This was even more than my ex was asking for!
- No, I am not wealthy, my _gross_ pay was $31,000/year at the time.
-
- I did win a reduction on appeal when I represented myself, then
- the new laws (1991) to lower upper income child support kicked in
- in WA and I fought again, getting it lowered to $400/month. He
- has recently bought a lakeview home and enrolled the kids in
- private school (against my objections), so I guess he isn't doing
- too badly....
-
- Anyway, that's the long answer to "what's it like..."
-
- We are _all_ in the same boat, that's why I refuse to descend
- to gender-bashing. Not NCPs are jerks, not all CPs are money
- grubbing leaches. The feminists are to blame for the imbalance
- in the laws, but it's up to all of us to stand up for a change.
-
- Danielle
-
-