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- From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
- Subject: Re: soc.feminism editorial policy (was Re: I can't believe it!)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.053038.11059@netcom.com>
- Organization: QQQCLC
- References: <1993Jan15.030525.18472@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1j7f5jINN8sc@titan.ucs.umass.edu> <C13nHH.M42@panix.com>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:30:38 GMT
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- In article <C13nHH.M42@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
- >There's an additional problem with soc.feminism, though.
- >Even with moderation, soc.feminism is not allowed to exclude
- >challenges to the basic validity of feminism, so most
- >articles there, no surprise in a sea of misogyny, discuss
- >the basic validity of feminism. This does limit the scope
- >of the newsgroup pretty severely.
-
- What else could possibly happen, Gordon? There's no available
- consensus on feminism; not by people, not by women, not by feminists.
- Sure, I remember the discussions, when the group was formed, about
- getting "beyond the basics", away from arguing axioms all the time, and
- getting a higher-level discussion. But it can't happen. Feminism isn't
- science, it's politics. It has no rigor, just theology. The most
- theology can yield is orthodoxy, not truth.
-
- So you're stuck. Either you get an artificial, unrepresentative
- "consensus" via censorship, or you argue the fundamentals, as with any
- political issue.
-
- If the moderators of soc.feminism do not exclude "challenges to
- the basic validity of feminism", it's not because they're not allowed
- to, it's because they have more sense than that. The only "consensus" in
- feminism is that of a few academic careerists with a mostly illusary
- sense of their own importance. And even that consensus is pretty shaky.
- Is there agreement in feminism about whether men are inherently more
- violent than women? About whether a fairer society means what we have,
- but fairer, or whether women will cause a basic modification of the
- social fabric? About the status of porn and prostitution? No? Then what
- would you expect but debate?
-
- If anyone wants to have a new moderated group, soc.feminism.pc,
- where there will be an enforced orthodoxy, and discussion will be
- restricted to how many angels dance on the heads of feminist pins, I've
- no objection, but I doubt it will attract much readership.
-
- I wish soc.feminism better-represented the real range of
- sentiment on these issues than it does, and restricted the editorial
- management to keeping discussion civilized, but I'm not upset. The
- moderators are only human; they make mistakes. But the intentions look
- good, and only moderately skewed by hidden agendas. I doubt I'd do much
- better.
-
- - From the Crow's Nest - Kenn Barry
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