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- From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)
- Subject: Re: Strong atheism ought to explain theism (Was: Re: Atheism is dogmatic.
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:49:17 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.091314.23002@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
- darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
-
- (Deletions)
- >
- >Now, many religious people, notably mystics, claim to have "experienced"
- >God. It is certainly possible that their experience of God was just as
- >real as our present experience of our respective computer terminals.
- >This then puts a belief in God for this particular person on a par with
- >the vast majority of people's belief in the real existence of the
- >material world.
- >
-
- No, the point is that I have not witnessed it myself, and these people
- can not derive statements from their belief that I can validate and not
- explain from another system.
-
- They may have 'experienced godly', but they have not experienced 'god',
- so to speak.
-
-
- >Thus, a true "experience" of God may be a very rational reason for that
- >particular person to believe in God. Definitely as rational as the reason
- >the vast majority of people have for believing in the existence of the
- >material world.
- >
-
- I accept that. However, when I look at mystical practices, I am not impressed
- that methods of for instance, sensory deprivation, hyperventilation, lack of
- food, pain, etc., makes people think they have seen god. Especially when it
- stops hurting.
-
- It can be that they have a overwhelming experience, but simply it because it
- was so overwhelming, people forget to make reality checks because noone cares
- for objectivity after such an experience.
-
- The only objectivity I see is that I might have such an experience myself.
- But the way to it is hard, and it looks as if the experience would impair
- my reasoning quality and therefore the quality of my life.
-
- It can be that I wouldn't care then anymore, but the analogy to hard drugs
- is too clear in my eyes.
- Benedikt
-