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- From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
- Subject: Re: Strong atheism ought to explain theism (Was: Re: Atheism is dogmatic.
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.091314.23002@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
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- Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:13:14 GMT
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- In <1jjs2kINN4n3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips) writes:
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- >In a previous article, J5J@psuvm.psu.edu (John A. Johnson) says:
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- >>In article <1jissaINNfjv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam
- >>Trent Phillips) says:
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- >>[ . . .]
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- >>Now, it is a fact that the majority of humans believe in some sort of deity.
- >>What sorts of arguments can we present to account for these mistaken beliefs?
- >>One of my favorites is that the experiences of people claiming to be "touched
- >>by God" are nearly identical to the experiences of persons with temporal lobe
- >>seizures. In other words, I can tell someone who says, "I know God exists
- >>because I felt his presence," that what he has described sounds a lot like
- >>an epileptic seizure.
- >>
- [...]
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- > To me the "I *FEEL* god's presence & it's *WARM* & *FUZZY* just does
- >NOt cut it, perception alone does not count.
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- Be careful when you say this. Most likely you base your general belief
- that the material world exists (I assume you hold this view, like the
- vast majority of people do) on your sense perceptions.
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- Now, many religious people, notably mystics, claim to have "experienced"
- God. It is certainly possible that their experience of God was just as
- real as our present experience of our respective computer terminals.
- This then puts a belief in God for this particular person on a par with
- the vast majority of people's belief in the real existence of the
- material world.
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- Thus, a true "experience" of God may be a very rational reason for that
- particular person to believe in God. Definitely as rational as the reason
- the vast majority of people have for believing in the existence of the
- material world.
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- Fred Rice
- darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
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