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- From: news@wolves.Durham.NC.US (The Wolfe of the Den)
- Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,alt.folklore.computers,alt.culture.usenet
- Subject: Re: Input Need for Talk on "Usenet News:The Poor Man's Arpanet"
- Message-ID: <C1Itry.IJD@wolves.Durham.NC.US>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 16:28:44 GMT
- References: <C1EAK3.725@wolves.Durham.NC.US> <1k2a98INNhgf@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>
- Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
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- In <1k2a98INNhgf@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben) writes:
- >The Wolfe of the Den (news@wolves.Durham.NC.US) wrote:
- >: In article <ronda.727667230@ais.org> ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben) writes:
- >: >
- >: >What I wanted to do is to give some background of the ARPANET
- >: >and then show how Usenet was developed as a Poor Man's ARPANET.
- >:
- >: Putting the cart before the horse? [etc....]
-
-
- >: The UUCP mail network (just as ad hoc as Usenet, and NOT
- >: synonymous with Usenet) did have early conparisons with ARPAnet since
- >: e-mail was one of the main early services of the ARPAnet.
- >:
- >But wasn't the UUCP mail network developed along with the news, and
- >also, the sense I have gotten from reading some of the descriptions
- >of the development of the mail network is that there were sites that
- >no pathway was known to get to, but that since usenet got to lots
- >of places, one could follow the path that usenet had used to send email.
-
- Yes and no. UUCP is/was totally seperate from the Usenet paths.
- There are hundreds of uucp "mail only" links that don't have NetNews
- traversing the link.
-
- The problem in UUCP-land of needing unique names, and a high
- level registry for the .UUCP pseudo domain was certainly made much
- easier (and driven by) the access to NetNews for coordination.
-
- It has been pointed out many times that the existence of a path
- in NetNews distribution does NOT necessarily mean that the same link can
- be used for third-party mail traffic! This distinction was one of the
- motivators for the development of the UUCP registry.
-
- >Rather the invitation to join Usenet handed out at the Delaware Usenix
- >Conference in Spring/Summer 1980 used the phrase "Poor Man's Arpanet"
- >and there was obviously a good reason this phrase was used in some of
- >the earliest literature describing and inviting people to join Usenet.
- >
- >: The folks who developed NetNews certainly had a great deal of
- >: vision and inspiration, but I don't think that any of the real early
- >: folks involved had quite so grand a vision as that. The early evolution
- >: had a totally different "feel" to it.
- >
- >Can you explain then why they used the phrase in the 1980 invitation
- >to join Usenet?
-
- Hummmmmmmmm. A memory lapse? I too, am rather suprized that it
- appeared that early in the promotion of Usenet. My impression was that
- it was much later in the year that that appeared.
-
- [I could also beg that there were other distractions in 1980,
- since I got married on Jan 11th of that year and was a bit busy at other
- persuits for part of the time. :-) I've said a few times before that
- my time sense is a bit skewed in that period, and I'll defer to Tom
- Truscott and the other more active participants for exact chronologies.]
-
- Greg Woodbury, aka the Red Wolfe
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