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- From: tb13@ellis.uchicago.edu (leon joel gross)
- Newsgroups: talk.rape
- Subject: Re: Man Rapes Man
- Message-ID: <1993Jan8.183633.25418@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: 8 Jan 93 18:36:33 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan7.222625.9710@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mscarce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Scarce) writes:
- >I'm not sure if my last message made it through or not, so bear with me if this
- >is a repeat.
- >
- >There was a request for information about any male rape cases going to court. I
- >responded in mentioning a 'gay male acquaintance rape'.
- >
- >The alleged rapist is a self-identified GAY man.
- >The alleged survivor is a self-identified GAY man.
- >The two men met in a GAY bar, went home together, and one allegedly raped the
- >other.
-
- The fact that they are self-identified gay makes a difference. One
- poster (and many people) would call any rape of a male by a male as
- homosexual or gay. This is what I and others object to.
-
- >I was merely attempting to be specific about this case. It IS important to
- >distinguish what kind of rape we are talking about. Rape within the gay
- >community can be very different than heterosexual rape or lesbian rape, just as
- >there are differences between stranger and acquaintance rapes, individual or
- >gang rape, adult rape or incest/molestation, etc, etc......
-
- Yes, and rape of a man by a man within the gay community is different
- that one outside of it. It's incorrect to call them both 'gay'
-
- >There has been a lot of misinformation on this newsgroup about the rape of men
- >over the last few days, let's begin to get our facts right.
-
- >Statements like "The sex of the abuser and victim are completely irrelevant to
- >the rape" does incredible damage to rape survivors.
-
- Yes and no. It depends how it's understood.
- From a legal point of view, under most laws the gender does not matter.
-
- >Many people still believe
- >that it is impossible for men to be raped at all, and many female-specific rape
- >laws make the rape of men perfectly legal by definition.
- So it's true to say that "The sex of the abuser and victim [should be]
- completely irrelvent to the rape" from a legal point of view.
-
- >There are differences between male and female survivors' rape experiences and
- >the issues which affect their recovery, just as cultural-specific rape
- >education and prevention in our communities is needed to address the demands of
- >our diverse populations.
-
- Yes, and one difference is that straight male survivors object to referring
- to anything they have experienced as 'gay'.
-
- And gay male survivors are blamed for their victimization, because people
- mistakenly assume that gay men want this kind of treatment.
-
- >Sorry for any misunderstanding, let's continue to explore this issue together.
- >
- >Michael Scarce
-
- Leon Gross
- I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
-