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- From: gpriores@oracle.com (gordon prioreschi)
- Newsgroups: talk.rape
- Subject: Re: blast from the past, gang-rapes, random musings
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- Date: 7 Jan 93 21:25:44 GMT
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- In article <OAF.93Jan6203223@tissot.ai.mit.edu> oaf@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Oded Feingold) writes:
- >[fraternity gang-rape description-of-problem deleted]
- > This ancient posting, written before AIDS was hot stuff and before
- >some of you were born, opens many issues. I'll list a few:
- > Pack formation among young men.
- > Fraternities as hunting packs and affinity groups. Threat or
- > menace? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
- > Bonding rituals - sharing spoils of the hunt.
-
- I agree that frats are packs. Unfortunately, in a few cases gang rape
- probably is one of the bonding rituals.
-
-
- > Gang-rape as deliberately shared guilt and source of
- > ostracism from larger society, hence as insurance against
- > someone breaking from the pack.
-
- Maybe in a very few cases.
-
-
- > (Consider the analogy with gang rape in wartime - once
- > the population abhors you, your safety depends on
- > sticking with your buddies, no matter what outrages
- > they commit).
-
- I'm not sure that's an issue, even subconsciously; IMHO the soldiers
- in question just see the victims as bounty to be used.
-
-
- > Need for young people to learn what being drunk feels like
- > before they go off to college, so they can recognize
- > danger signals, and are less prone to "accidental"
- > excess alcohol consumption.
-
- I agree that the existence of a legal drinking age causes problems
- upon initial exposure to alcohol.
-
-
- > Need for assertiveness training for women, in their younger
- > years.
-
- IMO, assertiveness training or not, college freshmen of both sexes are
- going to be a little overwhelmed during their first months away from
- home, which makes them vulnerable. Would probably help some, though.
-
-
- > Need for affinity-group formation for women, so less-drunk
- > cohorts can perceive threats.
-
- Actually, in my experience sorority sisters do tend to look out for
- one another.
-
-
- >Rape as an aspect of
- >structuring society applies across the range of human experience, and
- >extends to the animal world.
- >[...]
- >The ducks
- >who gang-rape a female don't stick around and raise any offspring,
- >particularly if by doing so they kill her. [...] In such cases, there is
- >probably the derivative survival utility of bonding with each other at
- >the same time they exclude themselves from integration (or
- >re-integration) with the victim population.
-
- Are the gang-raping ducks ostracized by the rest of duck society?
- This is not facetious or sarcastic; I'm genuinely curious.
-
-
- Cordially,
-
- -g
-