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- From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
- Subject: Re: Christian Pro-Choicers (was Re: An Abortion Argument that has nothing to do with OT and NT)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan12.071023.4014@netcom.com>
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- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:10:23 GMT
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- hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes ...
- > chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- >>You're kidding, right? Let's get one thing straight, Paul. The Holocaust
- >>doesn't work very well as an analogy to the abortion issue. I would suggest
- >>backpedalling at flank speed to avoid being flamed to a crisp. The Holocaust,
- >>the systematic and deliberately cruel extermination of Jews, Slavs, gypsies,
- >>assorted other "undesirable" ethnic minorities and disabled people by a
- >>totalitarian government, is not an analogy to anything.
- >
- >So, you still haven't given me a reason why the holocoust is not a most
- >excellent analogy. Nazi's killed Jews and took their money. Here in
- >the U.S, unborn children are killed in order to free up some extra cash.
-
- The Nazis treated people with force, disregarding their rights and
- their freedoms. Pro-forcers apparently wish to do the same thing by
- forcing women to donate the use of their bodies.
-
- You see, the Nazi analogy goes both ways.
-
- >Don't try to trivialize this holocaust. That holocaust was truely
- >horrible, but it is similar in many ways to what is happening now. A kind
- >of moral blindness descended on the people. The soldiers and other Germans
- >were actually able to convince themselves that what they were doing was okay.
-
- You know, almost everyone thinks that quote in my .sig applies to
- someone else, and that their own convictions really _are_ the "truth".
-
- When one is willing to lie, insult, beat, kill, and destroy, all in
- the name of this ideal called "pro-life", what can you possibly hope
- to gain? To win the war at the cost of your soul?
-
- >Many people today just believe the lie that the fetus is a lump of tissue.
- >Maybe it is a good idea that we be forced to walk through the concetration
- >camp and see what has been done.
-
- And perhaps you should take a walk with pregnant women. See those who
- die in agony during childbirth. Pay the medical expenses for just one
- new birth. Support just one pregnant teenage girl who has to drop out
- of high school. Face the ridicule of being "a shameless slut" for
- being the one who got unlucky.
-
- That is YOUR concentration camp.
-
- --
- Ray Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
- ray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietszsche
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