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- From: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
- Subject: Re: Let me state my view
- Message-ID: <1993Jan11.201750.18369@ncsu.edu>
- Originator: jjprice@c00076-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
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- Reply-To: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
- Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
- References: <1993Jan7.233902.5458@ncsu.edu> <1993Jan8.015455.17584@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> <1993Jan8.025210.9017@Princeton.EDU>
- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:17:50 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan8.025210.9017@Princeton.EDU>, datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) writes:
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- |>In article <1993Jan7.233902.5458@ncsu.edu>, jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu
- |>(JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:
- |>
- |>> 1. A fetus is a human being were as life begins at conception...you
- |>> can't prove otherwise so it must be true.
- |>
- |>Have you been to alt.folklore.urban lately? Just wondering. Now prove
- |>to me that a fetus is a human being. Go ahead. I'll wait.
- |>
- My corollary is that you can't prove that a fetus isn't...Are you willing
- to kill 1.5 million lives each year just because there is no proof that
- they are alive....?
-
- |>> 2. A person has a right to do whatever they wish so long as they don't
- |>> infringe upon another person...now the baby is using the body of
- |>> the mother we can say it may be removed...BUT...this will result
- |>> in the death of the fetus. So the lesser of the 2 evils must be
- |>> followed and the life of the fetus is more imp. than the choice
- |>> of the mother...in the event of life threating situation bla
- |>> bla bla bla... [sorry, I couldn't take it anymore]
- |>
- |>First off, _why_ is the life of the fetus more important than that of
- |>the mother? That is something that no one has ever satisfactorily
- |>explained to me. Secondly, since when is a fetus a person?
- |>
- Of course you so convienently bla..bla...bla out the part in which I dealt
- with the valuse of the mothers life(we see only what we want?) I stated
- that when a mothers life is threatened it is a personal choice because
- both lives are equal and no one has a "right" to say who lives and who dies.
-
- |>> 3. Conclusion...abortion by todays standards is murder and must seen
- |>> as such with the penalty required by law imposed on both the
- |>> doctor and mother expect in above said case of threatening.
- |>
- |>The penalty for murder is execution. By your standard, you would send
- |>two people to their deaths to save the life of one fetus. At the same
- |>time, I've gotten flak for suggesting that we should salvage what we
- |>could from an anencephalic baby who will never have a life to speak of
- |>and use organ transplants to save five or more already established
- |>lives.
- |>
- I am against the death penalty like a said but where did that go? More
- convienent editing? 20 years in prison would do the job.
-
- |>Am I missing something here?
- |>
- apparently.
-
- |>> Somalia OK because we are trying to save
- |>> lives even if we do end up killing a few...The same with abortion
- |>> of course a few women will die perfoming illegal abortions but we
- |>> will save many more.
- |>
- |>So we _can_ save lives if we do end up killing a few. That means we can
- |>use that anencephalic baby after all? Thanks! Many organ recipients
- |>will cry your name from the rooftops!
- |>
- Question? is this anencephalic baby on total life support...brain dead..and
- have no chance of living off life support you answer is yes.
-
- |>And if we could use fetal tissue to perform medical experiments that
- |>could save thousands, nay millions, of lives... are you _sure_
- |>you're anti-abortion?
- |>
- You can use fetal tissue from still-borns or miscarriages provided the
- would have been parents agree...
-
- I said abortion should be illegal...
- --
- -Jeffrey Price
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