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- From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan10.023119.13207@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 02:31:19 GMT
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- In article <aidler.726560622@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
- >mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >
- >>In article <aidler.726435845@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
- >>>Abortion *may* be a responsible medical treatment for
- >>>a pregnancy.
- >>>However, any decision needs to recognize that there
- >>>are now two lives to consider and that the mother and
- >>>father agree to some parental responsibility when they
- >>>consent to sexual relations.
- >>>
- >
- >>Unless you are going to claim that sperm and ovum are not alive, there
- >>has never been a point in the process in which more then one life was
- >>at issue.
- >
- >>However, given that only one of those lifes is capable of having an
- >>opinion on the subject (the z/e/f can't. No brain, ya know?) and that
- >>it is her body that is sustaining the z/e/f, the final choice in
- >>abortion lies with the mother. You have yet to show any reason why
- >>this should be changed.
- >
- >Any zygote has the *potential* to produce a unique child
- Any sperm/ovum has the *potential* to produce a unique child.
- Do you have a point to make?
-
- >(unless you can prove otherwise -- not in general but for
- >each one individually).
- I can *and have* shown that 2/3 or *more* of all completely fail to
- produce the "unique child" you are so enamoured of. Which makes a
- child a far cry from the inevitable result you claim it is.
-
- >Just because the child is not born shouldn't deprive
- >him or her of all rights.
- You have yet to provide any reason to believe that a z/e/f is a child.
-
- >The fact that he or she is in no position to object to his
- >or her death does not give the other party total control
- >of the situation.
- Certainly it does. It happens all the time. Unless you can produce
- some rational evidence to show that this is wrong, don't expect
- anybody to buy your bilge.
-
- >Even those tried in absentia are entitled to legal
- >representation.
- >
- This isn't a court case, there are no lawyers invovled (despite the
- dreams of fetus worshippers). Nor is a fetus considered a legal person
- in any case. It's existance is dependant upon the willingness and
- ability of a woman to provide 100% of it's needs. Such needs being
- taken 100% from her own resources.
- This gives her all the right she needs to withhold thoswe resources
- for her own use.
- Do you support laws which would force the donation of
- blood/tissue/organs?
-
- --
- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
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