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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Who are you guys?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan10.021122.15243@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1993Jan3.013943.19023@ncsu.edu> <1993Jan4.163857.10936@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1993Jan4.195306.862@ncsu.edu>
- Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:11:22 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan4.195306.862@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan4.163857.10936@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
- >noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
- >>dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >>>noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
- >
- >>>> 4) Those who hold that abortions are ok for everyone.
- >
- >>> Position 4 is not logically consistent if a person does not
- >>> condone infanticide in all cases.
- >
- >> Your statement is only correct if the person believes the infant
- >> is not a person. Position 4 is logically consistent if the person
- >> believes the fetus is not a person.
- >
- >The belief that a child becomes a person when the child is born
- >is a belief with no logical foundation. I have not seen any
- >reasoning which could support that belief, in which the position
- >is derived from a set of general moral principles. I don't see
- >why an unsupported position can be labeled as being 'logically
- >consistent'.
-
- The logical consistency of an argument is not the same as its "soundness",
- Doug. If someone accepts, as a premise, the proposition that a child becomes
- a person when it's born, then the conclusion is logically consistent, if
- not "sound".
-
- As for the validity of the premise, you know I don't usually get involved
- in arguments over personhood, but let me point out that, at birth, a fetus
- gains a social (as opposed to just a biological) identity -- it can be
- moved from social situation to social situation, it can interact with
- different people, it at least has the opportunity to form meaningful social
- relationships. Up until that point, even after viability, it is _socially_
- little more than an appendage of the mother.
-
- - Kevin
-