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- From: sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: An argument for better sex ed
- Message-ID: <1993Jan9.015948.316@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- Date: 9 Jan 93 01:59:48 GMT
- References: <1993Jan8.234624.9919@ncsu.edu>
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- From article <1993Jan8.234624.9919@ncsu.edu>,
- by dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger):
- > In article <1993Jan8.221548.28016@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- > sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
-
- >> Here it is! I found it! James Keegan wrote a post called "anti-
- >> choice morality" based (in part) on this atrocity. He suggested
- >> that the failure of pro-life folks to condemn Suzanne's behavior
- >> was evidence for some sort of moral compromise. Now I see why.
-
- >> Suzanne: your comment is sick. Your vindictiveness is unhealthy.
- >> I think an apology is in order.
-
- > Allow me to clue you in to a little game that the pro-choicers
- > like to play. The game is called "enrage the opposition". The
- > idea is to hurl as many insults and hurtful remarks at Ms. Forgach
- > as possible so that she'll respond in kind. When Ms. Forgach
- > does respond with small flames, she gets accused of being
- > "hateful", "sick", etc..
-
- > Often times, the game is played in which a pro-choicer verbally abuses
- > Ms. Forgach for no apparent reason other than her views on abortion.
-
- Am I to believe that there is no other reason? Why is my experience
- on t.a so much different? There are plenty of bullies on t.a. Need
- we legitimize them by playing their juvenile games? I promise you
- this: if I see Ms. Forgach or anyone else get flamed for simply
- taking one side or another, I'll object forcefully. Would you like
- to try to convince me that this is (or was) the case? Like Ross Perot,
- I'm all ears.
-
- > Ms. Forgach then responds with a small flame, and the pro-choicers
- > gang up on her and blow her small flame way out of proportion so as
- > to portray her as being more wicked than the Wicked Witch of the West.
- > In this particular example, we have Patrick Humphrey as the antagonizer,
- > who has insulted Ms. Forgach on numerous past occassions.
-
- A small flame. A little, teeny-tiny insult. Just a cute little
- joke about the father of someone's kids.
-
- > I feel that Ms. Forgach has received such horrible treatment from
- > pro-choicers that they really don't have any moral standing to accuse
- > her of being "hateful". They are the ones who are "hateful", IMO.
- > I'm actually kind of surprised that Ms. Forgach has been as polite
- > as she has been towards these people.
-
- I've not been a part of the thread, so I don't know to what extent
- Ms. Forgach's statement was provoked, or to what extent it was
- "appropriate" in the context of the dialogue (not to be confused
- with debate). My revulsion at her remarks is unchanged. If I
- must also condemn her tormentors, so be it.
-
- Let's not make so many excuses for ourselves, Doug.
-
- --
-
- Steve Matheson Program in Neuroscience University of Arizona
- sfm@neurobio.arizona.edu
-