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- From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: we are forcing women to destroy their babies!!!
- Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:56:05 -0800
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- In article <1993Jan7.230813.4253@ncsu.edu> jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:
- >No ofense here...but you were doing so well...when is murder "right"
- >unless it is to protect yourself from bodily harm.(ie. A severe risk
- >to the mothers life and well being...please note severe I am not talking
- >about the normal wear and tear of a pregnacy I am talking life threatening
- >or handicaping situation here.)
-
- why so limited a view?
-
- Now, just assume, just for a moment, that we could pop an aborted fetus
- into an auto-mama and bring it to term. No sweat, and pretty cheap, too.
-
- If this were possible, would women be ALLOWED to 'abort'? Because, say
- they didn't want to be pregnant, or they didn't want to be fat, or because
- they were having a bad hair day? Essentially, because of any reason at all
- that you can think of that any woman, even the most stupid and despicable,
- might have to be non-pregnant? After all: the fetus is in her body.
- If she *could* remove it from her body, without harming it, wouldn't you
- allow her to?
-
- Now, assuming you said yes -- really, what sense would a 'no' answer make?--
- WHY did you say yes?
-
- Did you say yes because you agreed with her reason? Or because, SINCE the
- fetus is in her body, and she doesn't want it there, SHE is the one who gets
- to say to move it? Because SHE owns the body. Isn't that why?
-
- Look at it from another point of view: this stupid and despicable in every
- way woman is over 21, and, while admittedly stupid and despicable, is not
- either retarded nor insane and thus isn't under the authority of any
- guardian or custodian. Do you think anybody *else* should have the right
- and ability to insist her body be operated on, against her will, to move
- that fetus from her body to the auto-mama? And why would that be a 'no'
- answer? Isn't it because that body is *hers* and *hers alone* (to borrow
- a phrase)?
-
- Now, sure, we don't have the auto-mama yet, BUT
-
- We sure as hell have women's bodies. And we sure as hell have women who
- own their own bodies and who fully expect to exercise their rights over
- their own selves.
-
- Currently, an abortion means the fetus dies. And that's too bad. But
- surely you can't make a case for giving the fetus rights that NO OTHER
- person has over the body of another person.
-
- You would limit your examination to SEVERE physical harm, or death.
-
- I'll point out that, in many cases, rape does not cause severe physical
- harm or death, yet it's still an illegal thing, and women are not expected
- simply to put up with it's inconvenience. And this notion springs from
- the same well as the abortion issue's autonomy argument.
-
- Ditto Kidnapping.
-
- >So now that we can kill anyone that uses something of another persons w/o
- >their permission we may kill them...I think I'll go out and kill all the
- >welfare recipients because they are using my money because I don't want
- >them to...
-
- You *do* see a small difference between the living breathing corporeal
- physical body of a woman and your inanimate, printed-by-the-goverment
- spending money, don't you?
-
- You don't get to kill someone who is stealing your TV (except maybe in
- Texas), either, but you sure as hell get to kill someone who is threatening
- you physicially. EVEN when you find out that they weren't threatening you
- with death. The death standard is not universally required for one to
- defend oneself, specifically when one's *physical person* (versus one's
- property) is involved.
-
-
- Adrienne Regard
-
-