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- From: mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson)
- Subject: Re: I became pro-life...and pro-choice...
- Message-ID: <1993Jan7.172346.5410@hemlock.cray.com>
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- References: <1993Jan7.004633.19382@ncsu.edu> <1993Jan7.040842.13694@netcom.com> <1993Jan7.204804.28324@ncsu.edu>
- Date: 7 Jan 93 17:23:46 CST
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- In article <1993Jan7.204804.28324@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan7.040842.13694@netcom.com>
- >gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
- >>dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger):
- >>>In article <1ickh8INN200@meaddata.meaddata.com>
- >>>johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend) writes:
- >
- >>>> Abortion, among other things, reflects and contributes to the cheapening of
- >>>> human life in society, the natural consequence of which is that individuals
- >>>> become more likely to take or abuse the lives of others when others are in
- >>>> conflict with the individual's other desires.
- >
- >>> There's another article in the Jan. 3 edition of the Chicago Tribune
- >>> about the killings of children in the Chicago area during 1992, some
- >>> of them newborn babies killed shortly after birth by their parents.
- >
- >> Excellent reasons for abortion to remain legal and affordable, and
- >> encouraged.
- >
- >It seems obvious to me that the availability of abortion didn't
- >prevent the deaths of these children. These children were killed
- >because their parents didn't place a value on human life, much in
- >the same way as people who support abortion rights.
-
- I think you're off base here. More probably, their
- deaths are the result of rage, which can occur in
- all kinds of folk with a wide range of values. The
- newborn deaths may be the exception. Sounds as if
- those deaths occurred after unplanned, unassisted home
- birthings--probably the women involved did _nothing_
- about their pregnancies. Seems a less responsible choice
- than abortion.
-
- >> Tell me Doug, would you rather a brainless fetus be
- >> aborted at 8 weeks or wait until it's born and old enough to feel the
- >> scalding water cooking it's flesh? For my money, and opinion, I'd rather
- >> the woman had had an abortion.
- >
- >There are several errors in your statements; the most obvious is
- >that an 8 week-old child has a brain.
- >
- >Secondly, you offer a false dichotomy between killing the child
- >when it's legal, and when it's illegal. No child has to be killed.
- >
- As long as there are parents living in extreme duress,
- some children will die in this manner. Not all the parents
- who can't handle parenthood know that ahead of time. Some
- of them think they want children. But the suffering that
- goes on in the lives of kids from dysfunctional families
- is orders of magnitude worse that anything a first-trimester
- fetus could possibly experience. My vote would be to take
- folks' word for it if they say they can't handle pregnancy
- _or_ parenthood.
-
- >And what you would rather have happen, didn't happen. You can
- >wish that these children had been legally killed, but your wishes
- >can't turn back the hands of time.
- >
- True enough. But my regret is for the duration of suffering
- of those children, and has nothing to do with the legality.
- A little girl I knew back in the sixties was beaten to death
- by her mother's boyfriend because she wouldn't stop crying.
- The young parents had married in the attempt to 'do the right
- thing', and later divorced. It is doubtful that little
- Jennifer would have grown up normal and healthy in any
- case, because her mom kept her on paregoric most of the
- time, so she would sleep more. Motherhood was much more
- demanding than that young girl could handle, though she had
- the best of intentions at the outset.
-
- I think abortion would have been strongly considered if it
- had been legal at the time.
-
- muriel
- standard disclaimer
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