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- From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
- Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:08:18 GMT
- Keywords: Energizer Weenies
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- steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) writes:
-
-
- I would like to use this response as an example of how the same stupid
- comments keep being thrown at me OVER AND OVER. I'm sick of repeating
- myself.
-
-
- >> = vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
- >>> = Larry Margolis
-
- >>>>That's not a fetus.
-
- >>>Right - in most abortions, it's an embryo, not yet a fetus.
-
- >>Document this.
-
- >Um, Larry documented this last week. You're not very good at
- >disingenuousness.
-
- Larry's documentation stated that 50% of abortion occur after 8 weeks
- LMP. I have documented that this is considered the fetal stage.
- Therefore, Larry is full of it.
-
-
- >In fact, maybe we should add it to the FAQ.
-
- Sure. Typical liberal revisionist history.
-
- >>>>Don't put words into my mouth. Having sex and getting pregnant are not
- >>>>crime. They are, however, actions that an adult must deal with like an
- >>>>adult.
-
- >Meaning, getting pregnant is only a crime when the woman chooses an
- >abortion. At least in your nightmare view of what society should be.
-
- Another comment exactly like the ones I've responded to before.
-
- >>>bortion is one way of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy.
-
- >>Abortion is a way of avoiding being a mature adult, which kills a baby.
-
- >Blatant assertion alert!
-
- >Eddie keeps sniffling and calling mindless blobs "babies". Eddie thinks
- >being "mature" is having a baby you don't want! In fact, I'd like to
- >hear Ed's views on child abuse.
-
- Another comment I have responded to already. If you'd bother to read
- you would see I have addressed this with regard to abortion.
-
- Oh, my name is Edward or Mr. Simmonds.
-
- >Thanks.
-
- >>>>Don't call it a fetus because I doubt you know what a fetus really is.
-
- >>>Well, *I* think I do; what do *you* think a fetus is?
-
- >>A fetus is the prenatal stage of a species in which the unborn offspring
- >>begins to take on the basic physical characteristics of its post birth
- >>form. In humans this occurs approximately 8 weeks after fertilization.
- >>
- >>Would you like anything more specific?
-
- >I'd like something a little more *accurate*. Every definiton *I've*
- >seen is, after 3 months.
-
- Why not try using a medical textbook.. or at least something above
- the 4th grader's World Encyclopedia?
-
- The trimester definition is used to make the concept simple for people
- who have no need of more specific knowledge.
-
- Millions of non-scientists were taught that electrons circle around the
- nucleus of an atom like planets around the sun. Scientists, however,
- need to know the truth, and will deny this. Personally, I would tend
- trust the scientific definition rather than the layman's definition.
-
- >Now, if you were using the Pat Robertson Revisionist Dictionary, then I
- >guess I see where your problem is.
-
- >Oops! Boy, it's easy to make Paul look bad.
-
- >>>>Having sex is exactly the same thing. Once you have CHOSEN (pro-choice?)
- >>>>to have sex, you must grow up and be responsible for the result of that
- >>>>action.
-
- >>>Getting an abortion is one way of taking responsibility if that action results
- >>>in an unwanted pregnancy.
-
- >>Call it what it is. It is avoiding responsibility. It is also murder.
-
- >No, dweeb, in no state of the U.S. is it murder. In no state in the
- >U.S. is abortion illegal. It's not going to change. Splatter spittle
- >as you will, you are not facing up to, or living in, reality.
-
- AGAIN! This same thing has been said and I have replied. Don't waste
- my time, and every else's with this. But, to reiterate for Mr. Novak,
- I will again state that I recognize the LEGAL definition of murder
- does not include abortion. I have never stated that I believe this will
- change. Abortion WOULD be illegal in some states were it not for the
- judicial legislation of Roe v Wade.
-
- Oh yeah... real mature name calling.
-
- >I've never seen such a monolithic block of boneheaded liars as the
- >pro-"life" contingent here on t.a. You lie, get caught, ignore getting
- >caught, lie again, get caught...
-
- Show me ONE lie I have told.
-
- >You should be named "The Energizer Weenies - they just keep on
- >bullshitting!"
-
- Wow. You are just too clever for me. I yield.
-
- >If you have a problem with women having sex, say so. Claiming that a
- >pregnancy from failed birth control or ignorance of birth control
- >constitutes forced birth for a woman is misogynic and thick-skulled.
-
- >Maybe you could invent an artificial womb, Crocodile Tears, and bring to
- >term all the fetuses you whine about.
-
- >>I now know you don't know anything about prenatal development.
-
- >This from the guy that knows nothing about when an embryo becomes a
- >fetus.
-
- My definition is sound and documented with a very credible source. Grow up.
-
- >--
- >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
- >| Steve Novak | |"Wacker the K"|
- >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
- >steven@advtech.USWest.Com
-
-
- Have a nice day.
-
-
- Edward Simmonds
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