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- From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
- Subject: Re: Can't we all just get along?
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:26:39 GMT
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- bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
-
- >I cancelled my original article less than a minute after I put it up,
- >Patrick, because I was in a bad mood when I posted it and I said some
- >things which could be interpreted as flames. I'm not sure how it
- >still got out to your site, but what's done is done.
-
- >One thing I'll say in my defense, though, for those readers who
- >somehow got the article: There's a difference between clueless newbies
- >who parade around this newsgroup saying "ab0rtion is murder" and reply
- >to every single thing a pro-choicer says by parroting those words over
- >and over again, and considerate pro-lifers who believe that abortion
- >is murder but can back up their opinions by responding considerately
- >to pro-choice arguments. (As in, "I know you feel that abortion
- >should be allowed because _____, but I still believe that the reasons
- >to protect a fetus are more important than the reasons you give to
- >take its life because _____.")
-
- >I encourage considerate discussion with pro-lifers. I don't like it
- >when people assume some morally superior attitude, though. You seem
- >reasonable, Patrick; I look forward to debating with you. :)
-
- I think the problem here, Mr. Kendig, is that morals, by nature, require
- one to believe that those who do not follow those morals are inherently
- inferior to some extent. In other words, we live by a certain set of
- morals. When we see others violating those morals, it is quite
- natural to assume the mantle of superiority.
-
- I consider myself morally superior to John Wayne Gacy (murderer) and
- John F. Kennedy (adulterer). Though there is no way to compare
- these two, you can see that both stand for something which I find
- morally reprehensible.
-
- Regarding my posts on these matters. True, I am often a bit barbed with
- my comments. This was purely reactionary on my part to the treatment
- I received here when I first posted. After posting a simple story,
- I was lambasted by the likes of Susan as a "bozo". I do not feel
- therefore that my terse statements are in any way unwarranted here.
-
- I do understand that a large number of pro-choice people in the general
- population have made that decision based on a concern for their fellow
- man (or woman in this case). I do not think that stating this in
- every single post will in any way change the import of the rest of
- my ideas.
-
- Why is my repeating "abortion is murder" any more stupid than those
- who keep saying "abortion is not murder", or those who keep saying
- "stop oppressing women by taking away their reproductive rights", etc.?
-
- Is it any more unreasonable of me to expect that pro-choicers understand
- that I really do care about the unborn than for them to expect that I
- understand their concern for women? I have not met a single pro-lifer
- motivated by anything but a respect for life. To be quite honest,
- I have not found such a homogenous idealogy in the pro-choice people I have
- met.
-
- I do try to respond to reasonable pro-choice commentary. Unfortunately,
- time constraints and frustration sometimes get the best of me. Answering
- the same questions endlessly, however, is somewhat tiresome. "Would you
- put all women to death who have abortions?" "fetuses are not legal persons"
- and all those things I have written on already that keep being thrown
- at me.
-
- You might be surprised how many pro-choice beliefs I share. Has abortion
- been used to oppress women? Yes. Could it be used that way in the future?
- Yes. Can pregnancy be a terrible burden and a life-changing trauma? Yes.
- Many pro-lifers agree about the existance of these problems, and would
- like to find a way to rectify them. We just don't feel that killing
- an innocent human being is the way to do this.
-
- I know that I would be personally overjoyed if 100% reliable birth
- control became available that was cheap and safe. This would mean that
- abortions would become totally undesirable.
-
- I apologize sincerely if you feel any of my remarks were too sharp.
-
- >--
- >_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun
-
-
- Edward Simmonds
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