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- From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
- Subject: Re: *** BUSSARD RAMSCOOP ***
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- Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:13:04 GMT
- References: <93008.103356DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
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- In article <93008.103356DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Jon J Thaler <DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
- >> Current antiproton production is geared towards physics, not
- >> rocketry. It is probably possible to create antimatter more
- >> efficiently if that is the primary goal.
- >
- >This is probably incorrect, for two reasons:
- >* Antiproton production and capture efficiency limits the rate
- > at which antiproton storage rings can be filled. If easily
- > obtainable improvements were available, I expect that they
- > would have been used already.
-
- As I understand it, there are other constraints that also have to be
- observed. For example, they want antiprotons with more or less the
- same energy. Robert Forward, who studied the issue on contract for
- the USAF, said production rates *could* be improved considerably if
- you custom-built the hardware for it.
-
- >* A rocket fuel needs to be cheaply contained. Storage rings
- > are expensive. Unfortuantely, antiprotons are created moving,
- > so they will need to be brought to rest to simplify the containment
- > problem. This is an additional manipulation that the physicists
- > don't need to perform.
-
- It doesn't look like a hard problem, however. There has been work
- done in that direction for various physics projects. For example,
- there was a LANL project -- no longer funded -- to decelerate and cool
- antiprotons to essentially zero energy for measuring their gravitational
- mass. (If you believe general relativity, it should be identical to
- their well-known inertial mass... but some of the weirder theories of
- gravity say it should be different.) I heard a talk by one of the
- folks involved; he said that it was interesting physics to be sure,
- but it was also a way to do antimatter-handling work with an eye on
- longer-term practical uses.
-
- If memory serves, first estimates for propulsion efforts say that the
- trickiest problem is the latent heat of freezing when you try to
- convert antihydrogen gas to solid pellets. There is no shortage of
- possible methods for most of the handling problems, although a good
- bit of engineering development would have to be done to find out which
- ones will work best.
-
- >There is no free lunch. Baryon number is conserved...
-
- Well, unless you believe in proton decay, in which case it isn't...
-
- >This means it costs
- >the same 2mc^2 (at least) to make an antiproton that one gets back when
- >it annihilates.
-
- Indeed so. Antimatter is a *storage* system, not an energy source per se.
- But it's an outstandingly lightweight storage system, assuming the handling
- gear's mass isn't too bad.
- --
- "God willing... we shall return." | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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