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- From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
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- Subject: Re: Anti-atoms (was Re: Making Antimatter)
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- Date: 9 Jan 93 09:58:53 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan8.192720.1@fnalnl.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalnl.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:
- >In article <Jan08.193145.59326@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, wallacen@ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace) writes:
- >> Presumably the "cold" AP mentioned in the recent Sci Am article would
- >> be part of such a system.
- >
- >The U. of Washington ion traps are suitable for keeping only small
- >numbers of antiprotons, or other charged particles, so far as I know.
-
- I quote from the Sci. Am. article (Gabrielse: Extremely Cold
- Antiprotons, December 1992):
-
- "In this way, during one hour, more than 100,000 cold antiprotons have
- been stacked, or added to one another, in the trap. We estimate that
- our current apparatus is capable of capturing and cooling up to one
- million antiprotons"
-
- One million antiprotons isn't a big lot; the total energy released
- when they annihilate with protons is on the order of 0.1 millijoule.
- By comparison, the kinetic energy of a two-ton space probe travelling
- at the modest speed of 10 km/s is 100 gigajoules. We're talking about
- fifteen orders of magnitude even in this very conservative estimate -
- hardly a Trivial Matter of Engineering...
-
- [...]
-
- >Well, I would apply the word "antimatter" to any antiparticle, but I
- >understand what you mean: matter made of neutral anti-atoms has not
- >been fabricated. H. Poth and collaborators have done work on
- >antiprotonic atoms, where a negative antiproton orbits a positive
- >nucleus for a short time (it's a nice probe of nuclear physics).
-
- And to clarify a little: "A short time" in this context is very short
- indeed. I don't know the lifetime for an antiproton-proton system, but
- the analogous electron-positron system, the positronium "atom", only
- lives for about a microsecond before the electron and positron
- annihilate each other.
-
- >They
- >would like to make antihydrogen (positron plus antiproton), but as far
- >as I know they haven't managed it yet.
-
- I quote again from the Sci. Am. article:
-
- "Antihydrogen production is an ambitious and difficult undertaking
- that will take some time to realize. Estimated production rates are
- very low."
-
- "Very low" means in this context that they'll be lucky to produce even
- a single antiatom within the next five years or so.
-
- >If somebody is
- >planning to do this, it's certainly at CERN's Low Energy Antiproton
- >Ring, where the action is in this field. Fermilab has no facilities
- >for work with "cold" antiprotons.
-
- Yes. Gabrielse specifically mentions moving his experiment to CERN
- from the States for that reason.
-
-
- NOTE: I'm *not* dismissing antimatter as an energy source for
- spaceships. I'm only saying that it will take a very long time before
- it becomes even remotely practical.
-
-
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