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- From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney)
- Subject: Re: Man rating again (was: Stupid Shut Cost arguements)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan07.173254.7205@eng.umd.edu>
- Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 17:32:54 GMT
- Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park
- References: <72958@cup.portal.com> <1993Jan6.025846.15440@iti.org> <1993Jan06.165148.9581@eng.umd.edu>,<1993Jan7.025746.2456@iti.org>
- Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu
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- In article <1993Jan7.025746.2456@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan06.165148.9581@eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes:
- >
- >>YOU say there's no need to man-rate. The astronaut community and anyone who
- >>goes up on it IS going to disagree with you.
- >
- >Well after a successful test flight I would go up on it. I think lots of
- >others would as well. Anybody with brains enough to read a test report
- >and analyze risk wouldn't have any problem. I think most astronauts would
- >be included in this list. The ones who don't want to go can quit.
-
- Sure, but you aren't the funding source. Think about it. Was it you or someone
- else who suggested that there's a difference between Astronauts and test
- pilots? (The latter usually being "expendable.")
-
- >>I realize you'd like to treat people as another type of expendable, but it just
- >>ain't so in the Western World.
- >
- >Wake up guy! The value of a human life simply isn't infinite. Look at the
- >cost model for any large project. Part of it will include the costs associated
- >with the people killed on the project. In fact, I'll bet that at least one
- >person was killed building each of the 5 shuttle orbiters. People aren't
- >expendable but nither do they have infinite value.
-
- >If what you said where actually true then nobody woluld be flying
- >Shuttles anyway. So if you want perfect safety, then stay home and
- >leave the next frontier to the rest of us.
-
- There's no such thing as perfect safety, and I can see this is degenerating
- into a "I'm man enough to die, you wimp" discussion.
-
- I'm sure more people died across the United States in one day than on
- Challenger. However, when a good part of national treasure and pride go up with
- the vehicle, there IS a difference.
-
-
- I have talked to Ehud, and lived.
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