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- From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu ("Phil G. Fraering")
- Newsgroups: sci.space
- Subject: Re: Space List Flame Wars
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- Date: 4 Jan 93 06:34:07 GMT
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- \I subscribed to this list in order to try to inform myself about the latest
- /news about US and other coutnries' space programs. I thought that this would
- \be a list of technical discussions, not a religious debate that has turned
- /into ad hominem attacks and flame wars as virulent as any I've seen in the
- \religious news groups. Then I see things like this, from Herman Rubin:
-
- >Let those who want to support research decide. But get the governments
- >out of the way, including out of levying taxes on money going to research.
- >If the government was not involved in the business of vainly trying to
- >manage charity, which it does in such a way as to make it financially
- >advantageous for at least many of those on welfare to do nothing about
- >the problem, and in the business of keeping our children very poorly
- >educated, and in general making it expensive to do anything of which
- >the government diasapproves, there would be the money for space activities.
-
- /and this from Henry Spencer:
-
- >We'll be mining in space long before we exploit any of the sea-bottom
- >resources. The socialists rule the oceans and don't want any dirty
- >capitalist mining venture making money off the "common property of
- >mankind". The US State Department was on the brink of giving them the
- >rest of the universe too, but the L5 Society (may it rest in peace)
- >managed to block Senate ratification of the infamous Moon Treaty.
-
- \Such political ranting belongs in the alt.talk.politics or alt.religion
- /groups. Could we please take them out of the space list?
-
- 1. Henry Spencer's little excerpt isn't political ranting but a
- good summary of the facts. If you don't think so, you need to
- look at the background of the COPOUS Treaty.
-
- 2. Currently our space programs are run mainly by the government,
- and as such are currently constrained more by the sort of
- corrupt behavior normally called "the political realities
- of the situation." The people trying to push this off into
- other newsgroups, which are accesible neither for posting
- nor reading purposes to much of the internet population, are
- IMHO either ignorant of the status quo or actively supporting
- said status quo, which has spent some 200 billion dollars in
- space in the last 20 years, and couldn't do in ten years what
- was done in eight years thirty years ago (put a man on the moon).
-
- There's a not very nice, but accurate term, for such people.
-
- \In addition, there is much too much signal to noise ratio in the flame wars
- /and the ad hominem attacks. Could we move them out of the list and into
- \private emails? There is too much heat and not enough light coming out
- /of them.
-
- I agree with you here. But the odd thing is, most of the attacks seem to
- be centering around an experimental project, one of the few the gubbimint
- seems to be doing right, that both has much potential to lower launch costs
- and has a total cost of less than a shuttle launch.
-
- \I know that I have now left myself wide open to being attacked from all
- /sides, but I just thought that, considering the size of the mailings that I'm
- \getting, there is too much of this stuff to wade through to get to anything
- /worth reading.
-
- You'll probably be hearing from Euzkadi Fatherland and Liberty in the
- morning. It was nice hearing from you this once, though... once... ;-)
-
- And if he had signed his name, I could have attributed it. One of
- the hazards of posting by mail...
-
-
- Phil Fraering |"...Who in the valley shed the poison tear
- 318/365-5418 |no one knows...
- pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|An old myth of a mythical hero..."
-