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- From: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com>
- Subject: Cheap energy investments
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- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
- Reply-To: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com>
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- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:40:41 GMT
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- This is a dicey area because when a commodity gets too cheap, overall
- industry profits fall. The old-line leaders suffer a lot, and the johnnie-
- come-lately's also get hit. We have seen this during the past few years in
- the computer business. If the world market for energy is two trillion dollars
- (?), 15 years after CF it might collapse into only 10 billion, and a decade
- later, the total cost of fuel worldwide will be zero dollars. (That is fuel,
- not equipment). After 2020, selling energy will be exactly like trying to
- sell ice to eskimos.
-
- Energy intensive products like aluminum will drop in price, which will
- initially help ALCOA, but after a while, the overall market will be
- saturated, the competition will grow, and ALCOA will suffer for the same
- reason the microcomputer hurt IBM. A company that makes airplanes out of
- aluminum might do better.
-
-
- Randy Burns writes:
-
- "...after some breakthrough in energy technology unless the non-energy uses
- of oil (i.e. making plastics and fabrics) expanded dramatically in response
- to cheaper energy prices."
-
- I think this is incorrect. I have talked to oil experts, and I gather that if
- CF works, and the cost of energy drops by a factor of, say, 100000, chemists
- would quickly find ways to synthesize hydrocarbons on site, from local
- sources of hydrogen and carbon (sources like air). This would be the reverse
- of burning gasoline, and it would require enormous amounts of energy, but
- that would not make the slightest bit of difference. The reasons they would
- manufacture oil on site are: 1. It is far safer than shipping the stuff
- around; 2. It is easier; 3. It provides 'just-in-time' inventory so that you
- do not need large explosive stocks sitting around; 4. The quality of the
- synthetic product would be much better than the natural product, there would
- be fewer impurities; 5. It would pollute less than oil refining.
-
- As soon as people wake up and realize that CF real, the price of oil, natural
- gas, and uranium will collapse, never to recover. The price will be
- discounted to reflect the future drop in use; there will no need to hoard
- current stock, or explore for additional supplies.
-
- - Jed
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