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- From: blue@nscl01.nscl.msu.edu
- Subject: Peak shape and gamma response for Jones exp
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- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
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- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:50:18 GMT
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- Steve, I have read and reread the Czirr-Jensen paper and examined each
- of the figures to which you refer. Your comments, and those of your
- collaborators, have clarified some points, but if you will bear with
- me there are still some things I am not clear on. First off it is the
- 2.9 MeV calibrations spectrum, rather than the 5.2 MeV one that would
- seem to have the most bearing on the issue. If, as you indicate, this
- spectrum was produced by deuteron bombardment of a deuterated titanium
- target, I have trouble accepting your explanation of the recorded spectrum
- as consisting of a peak due to neutrons from the d + d reaction, and
- a tail due to deuteron breakup on titanium, copper, or whatever. The
- reason for my skepticism is simple reaction kinematics. If we note
- that zero incident kinetic energy is to result in 2.45 MeV neutrons,
- what deuteron bombardind energy was used to produce the 2.9 MeV
- neutrons? It was a few 100 keV was it not? What is the threshold
- for deuteron break-up? It is above 2 MeV is it not? I think the only
- way you can non-monoenergetic neutrons is from deuteron stripping
- reactions, and here the coloumb barrier does play a significant
- role. In short the bombarding energy makes a big difference so you
- have to put together a picture which includes a background run at
- the same bombarding energy before you can explain the lower portion
- of the 2.9 MeV calibration run as being due to something else.
-
- It would seem that you have put alot of faith in the calculated
- response of the detector. We all know that without the coincidence
- requirement for the neutron capture in the glass, the pulseheight
- response for the liquid alone would be a continuum extending down
- to zero pulse height. In fact that spectrum would rise a low
- energies. I can see that the coincidence requirement would reduce
- that low energy side of the spectrum, but the Monte Carlo calculation
- looks a bit wierd. Note, the two lowest calculated points indicate
- a very steep rise near zero pulse height. I am tempted to
- speculate that the 450 counts in those two lowest bins should
- really have been distributed over channels 0-30.
-
- Your assertion that the gamma efficiency for the glass is low does
- not square totally with the literature on the subject. It depends
- on the thickness of the glass plates, a bit of data not contained
- in the paper so I have to guess that it is 2 or 3 mm. We then
- need to recall that although the pulse heights for neutron capture
- in the glass is independent of energy, as a gamma detector the glass
- acts more like a normal scintillation detector showing a pulse height
- roughly linear as a function of electron energy loss. Hence an
- evaluation of how much "leakage" there is of the gamma response
- into the neutron peak is dependent on the gamma energy spectrum.
- The reponse deduced for a radium source is not universal. While
- it is true that the cosmic ray spectrum seems to show a gamma
- peak and a neutron peak, determining how those two peaks merge
- and what events belong to which peak is a bit of a guess isn't it?
- I guess I would like some way of knowing, independent of measurements
- made with the Czirr-Jensen detector itself, what the background
- neutron rate really is relative to the gammas.
-
- I had hoped that my question concerning the normalization of the
- subtracted background could have been resolved by now, but you haven't
- made a completely clear statement as I read your latest message.
- Was the normalization of the background subtracted based solely on
- the ratio of times spent recording the two spectra?
-
- Dick Blue
- NSCL @ MSU
-