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- From: webb+@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb)
- Subject: Re: Inconsistent Experiments
- In-Reply-To: DROEGE@fnald.fnal.gov's message of Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:45:14 GMT
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- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:20:25 GMT
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- In article <930106161158.20c082a7@FNALD.FNAL.GOV> DROEGE@fnald.fnal.gov writes:
-
- While I agree with most of what Jon Webb says in reply to Jed Rothwell, when
- he says:
-
- -- it can't be the case that Mills & Farrell and Yamaguchi and Notoya and
- Pons and Fleischmann and McKubre are all right; they have inconsistent
- experiments."
-
- I don't think we know enough about what is happening to know that they are
- inconsistent. For example, they could all be wrong, and that would make
- them consistent!
-
- So Jon, how are they inconsistent? From my view, they could all be
- based on some common principal.
-
- You may be right; perhaps there is some completely unknown theory that
- will explain all of them. But their explanations of the phenomena are
- completely different, and inconsistent; e.g., Mills & Farrell's
- shrinking hydrogen theory vs. Pons & Fleischmann's deuterium fusion
- theory. The experimental conditions they think are important are
- different -- e.g., Notoya's abhorrence of parafilm vs. Pons &
- Fleischmann's use of it, at least in the early experiments. Their
- experimental results (amount of heat seen and time taken to see it)
- are completely different; some claim copious amount of heat almost
- immediately and with excellent reproducibility, and others claim small
- (10% excess) heat after long periods of time, and unreliably.
-
- There are so many differences between these experiments that the only
- thing they really have in common is that they put isotopes of hydrogen
- and metal in non-equlibrium conditions, and got more heat than
- expected. There is very little reason to think that all of these
- experiments derive their excess heat from the same basic source. It
- is only because of historical context that we seem them that way.
-
- -- J
-