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- From: DROEGE@fnald.fnal.gov
- Subject: Reply to John Farrell
- Message-ID: <930105143401.20a07695@FNALD.FNAL.GOV>
- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
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- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:16:09 GMT
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- >From John Farrell's 5 Jan 93 message, noting my comments about Mills being a
- "moving target":
-
- "This is pure, unadulterated rubbish."
-
- I have never claimed that these were good experiments. Only that there was
- something about them that did not make sense. As my experiments went on,
- Mills kept telling me other things that I should do that were not in the
- original recipe. After discussing the 24 Feb 1992 posting with him, he really
- out talked me, and I came away from the conversation thinking that I would
- never see an end to my attempt at a replication. Thus my moving target
- comment. While all parts of the experiment did not follow the Mills recipe,
- some of it did. I think the extensions were a proper attempt to verify an
- anomalous result.
-
- Here is the sequence reported here 24 Feb 1992:
-
- 1) Cell in the calorimeter, gas vented to atmosphere. With 1.48*I correction
- see "anomalous heat". Note that this is the basic experiment as reported in
- "Fusion Technology", and except that I see somewhat lower levels than Mills
- (in a more precise calorimeter) agrees with his measurements.
-
- 2) Cell in the calorimeter, gas connected to mercury bubbler, then to
- catalyst, then to servo gas measurement system. With 1.48*I correction
- **still see "anomalous heat"**. Also see the same levels of "anomalous heat"
- as in 1).
-
- So from 2) I can conclude that the mercury bubbler and the catalyst does not
- affect the cell operation.
-
- 3) Cell in the calorimeter, mercury bubbler and catalyst in the calorimeter,
- any excess gas to external servo gas measurement system. No excess gas seen
- by servo. Maintain same physical configuration i.e. tubing length as when
- separated inside and outside. Now do not take 1.48*I correction. *** No
- longer see "anomalous heat". ***
-
- 4) Now restore conditions as in 2) and again see "anomalous heat", indicating
- that the phenomena was not in some way time dependent.
-
- To accept Farrell's current position, I have to assume that there are two
- kinds of "anomalous heat". One is an erroneous small amount that deceived me
- into thinking that the above sequence was a demonstration that there was
- nothing to the Mills claim, and a second is a large "real" "anomalous heat"
- that is presently being produced by the Mills team. OK, I will admit I was
- misled by the "false" "anomalous heat". Bring on your heater for my house. I
- will be happy to sign a ten year contract at say half the natural gas rate.
-
- I think Occam's razor tells me the conclusion to make.
-
- I quote from my 2 Mar 1992 posting:
-
- "Some of you seem to think that I have refuted MKF. This is not true. I have
- done several rounds of experiments which indicate enough problems to me that I
- have decided to go back to P&F type experiment.
-
- My results would seem to indicate that there could be a problem with the
- calorimetry, or that there is less gas than expected from 1.48*I, or that the
- gas which does come off has less than 1.48*I heating value, or all or none of
- the above. Further it is obvious to me that complex chemistry can be taking
- place which requires long running times to eliminate.
-
- Whatever is going on is probably worth looking at or we all could have quickly
- provided an explanation. But not by me as there are better people (those out
- of work chemists who have to work as computer programmers) to explore this
- phenomena."
-
- Farrell says "I remind you that Droege was getting excess heat without the
- recombiner." I was getting it with the recombiner too, John. See 2) above.
- So can you explain the sequence? I will be the first to admit that my
- experiments were not very good. But not quite rubbish. (I know you did not
- call them rubbish, John.) At the time I figured it would have taken about six
- months to do a good experiment. I could not see a reason to try.
-
- Tom Droege
-
-