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- From: leffler@physics.ubc.ca (Steve Leffler )
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Accellerating Spaceship (yet another bird in a plane)
- Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:47:37 GMT
- Organization: The University of British Columbia
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- ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) writes:
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- >In article <6850@tuegate.tue.nl> johan@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Johan Wevers) writes:
- >>jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) writes:
- >>
- >>Yes, if it was true. But matter with a negative mass would react just
- >>the same as matter with a negative electrical charge. 2 negative
- >>{charged or mass} particles attract each other, 1 negative and one positive
- >>{charged or mass} particle repulse each other. And negative electricity
- >>doesn't give you a perpetual motion :-(
-
- >As a matter of fact, there is such a natural occurence.
- >(For the electrical case only)
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- >It's call the "electron-positron" pair. They are unstable and very short-
- >lived. During their life, they orbit each other, but eventually annihilate
- >each other.
-
- >However, in search for the perpetual motion machine, could not the
- >ATOM be considered as such? Since the electrons are in constant motion
- >around the nucleus and does not radiate away it's energy -- or does it
- >have to be on a macroscopic level to be considered a machine?
-
- To be useful, you have to be able to get some energy out of a perpetual
- motion machine without interfering with its operation (ie. you can keep taking
- energy out of it indefinitely). There is nothing in the laws of physics which
- forbids a perpetual motion machine as long as you don't want to get any
- energy out of it. The simplest example of a practical perpetual motion machine
- is an object spinning in outer space. Without any friction, such an object
- will continue to spin more or less indefinitely. This is not very useful
- as an energy source, however, which is what most designers of "perpetual
- motion machines" are after.
- An atom is not a useful perpetual motion machine for the same reason.
- An electron-positron pair isn't really a perpetual motion machine because the
- energy you get when they annihilate is just equal to the energy that was
- needed to produce the pair in the first place. In any event, the annihilation
- is a quantum mechanical event and has nothing really to do with electro-
- magnetism.
-
- ---Steven Leffler
- leffler@physics.ubc.ca
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