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- From: matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
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- Subject: Re: sci.physics.research: Important unresolved issues!
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- Date: 12 Jan 93 20:03:40 GMT
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- In-reply-to: trodrigu@spock.ecs.umass.edu's message of Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:27:56 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan12.082756.21119@risky.ecs.umass.edu> trodrigu@spock.ecs.umass.edu (Tao R or Stephen L) writes:
-
- > In order to decide if I should worry about the "not even wrong" clause,
- > I would be interested to know if any of the following topics are "not
- > even wrong", based on content as described:
- >
- > 1) A theoretical claim that time will run backward near the end of the
- > life of the universe.
- > 2) The initial 'cold fusion' announcement.
- > 3) A claim that 'red shift' appears to be quantized, and that this calls
- > into question the prominent theories about the age of the universe.
- > 4) A claim that the energy of a vacuum should be presumed to be zero
- > unless proven otherwise.
-
- I can't speak for the moderators, but I would think that all of these
- topics would probably be acceptable.
-
- #2 certainly isn't "not even wrong": it was wrong, plain and simple!
- Similarly, #3 is an experimental observation that is either right or
- wrong (I don't know which, and I doubt if anyone really knows for
- certain), but certainly is interesting, and worthy of discussion.
-
- #1 is a bit speculative for my tastes, but real physicists do work on
- that subject, and there are some reasonable mathematical discussions
- of the subject. If I were moderating, I'd be careful of articles on
- this subject, and I wouldn't accept them unless there were genuine
- physical arguments, but I would accept well-written articles making
- this claim.
-
- Similarly, #4 would be fine if there were real arguments given for
- that claim. (e.g., experimental bounds on the cosmological constant.)
- Again, this is an area of active research.
-
- The intent of the "not even wrong" phrase is not to cut off
- discussions on any subject that is an area of active physics research;
- rather, the intent is that to filter out articles that just consist of
- a string of jargon, without really discussing science. Dale's example
- ("muons decay because of their desire to be free") is the perfect
- example of the sort of post that will not be accepted.
-
- This wording isn't perfect, but neither I nor the moderators could
- think of anything better, and I think it's probably good enough.
- --
- Matthew Austern Just keep yelling until you attract a
- (510) 644-2618 crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
- austern@lbl.bitnet faction, an army! If you don't have any
- matt@physics.berkeley.edu solutions, become a part of the problem!
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