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- From: paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Quantum Collapse and Bell's Inequality
- Message-ID: <491@mtnmath.UUCP>
- Date: 12 Jan 93 18:24:34 GMT
- References: <1993Jan11.031132.1521@cs.wayne.edu> <485@mtnmath.UUCP> <1993Jan12.080512.14221@cs.wayne.edu>
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- In article <1993Jan12.080512.14221@cs.wayne.edu>, atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems) writes:
- > As a followup to my earlier post:
- >
- > Paul, I think the crux of any disagreement between us is whether you need
- > to invoke quantum collapse to predict the correlations that violate Bell's
- > inequality. This is *definitely* untrue for the spin-1/2 experiment I
- > described.
-
- Again the experiment you described does not violate Bell's inequality
- because it lacks controllable parameters and thus does satisfy the
- conditions under which that inequality is predicted to hold.
-
- > The probability densities (space part of the wave function) at
- > each site are irrelevant in that case, to get the correlations one
- > makes use only of the spin part.
-
- What is crucial is the probability that one will observe a
- certain spin or a certain polarization at a given time and location.
- You cannot separate these out in understanding how the predictions
- come from the theory. The theory predicts probabilities for a detection
- event.
-
- The locations and times of the detections are central to the question
- of whether Bell's inequality is violated. Correlations
- alone cannot violate this inequality because the inequality
- is only predicted to hold under specific conditions that involve space
- time and controllable parameters.
-
- >[...]
- > Yes, the detection event is problematic. But you don't need to consider
- > it at all to predict the measured correlations.
-
- Again you can generate shorthand methods to predict the correlations and
- this can mask the theory that those methods come from. However to see
- whether collapse is needed you have to go back to the original theory
- and understand how those methods are derived from that theory.
-
- Paul Budnik
-