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- From: paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: hidden variables
- Message-ID: <488@mtnmath.UUCP>
- Date: 11 Jan 93 17:22:20 GMT
- References: <1993Jan10.141141.7849@oracorp.com> <483@mtnmath.UUCP> <486@mtnmath.UUCP>
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- In article <1993Jan11.031733.1730@cs.wayne.edu>, atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems) writes:
- [Discussion of Stern-Gerlach type experiment deleted.]
-
- > > In article <483@mtnmath.UUCP> paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik) writes:
- >
- > Eberhard's point is the setting at one site affects the probability
- > distribution at the other site. The experiment you sited is slightly different
- > then the photon experiment Eberhard was talking about. You detect all particles
- > and sort them by spin direction. Thus you do not have a literal 'knob'.
- > However it still must be true that the observation made at one site of
- > each particle affected the observations made at the other site. It does
- > not matter in which direction this influence flows but it must flow in
- > at least one direction or you cannot get a violation of Bell's inequality.
- > The polarizer/photon experiment exactly conforms to the situation
- > Eberhard describes. It is the one he uses in his analysis.
- >
-
- I should have added that you need a knob or some controllable parameter
- to prove that Bell's inequality is violated. It is not enought to show
- that the mathematical relationship is violated since this relationship
- is only predicted to hold if the relevant events are space-like separated.
- The relevant events are *not* the correlated observations. It is
- easy using local processes to generate space-like separated events
- that violate this relationship. The relevant events are a *change* in
- an experimental parameter and detections that are effected by that
- change. Thus the experiment you described is not an effective test of
- Bell's inequality.
-
- Paul Budnik
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