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- From: paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: A proof that quantum mechanics is an incomplete theory
- Message-ID: <473@mtnmath.UUCP>
- Date: 8 Jan 93 17:04:30 GMT
- References: <31DEC199211004292@author.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1993Jan7.175100.4450@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
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- In article <1993Jan7.175100.4450@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
-
- > [...]
- > My point, such as it was, was that I would expect simple-minded classical
- > predictions to also hold true for QM, because in the limit for large number
- > of particles QM results in classical predictions. Especially for something
- > simple-minded like a delay. I just don't think that we are going to see
- > anything other than the simple t = d/c sort of delay come out of any
- > experiment. The major place Maxwell's equations come into this simple
- > formula is in any necessary adjustment of 'c' from the free-space value,
- > BTW.
-
- There are two distances in this experiment. The probability of a joint
- detection is equally influenced by *both* polarizer angles. By your argument
- this would imply that the delay would be related to the larger distance.
- I suspect you are right about this and quantum mechanics is wrong in its
- prediction that the delay is indenedent of the larger distance.
-
- > In spite of the fact that QM requires one to do odd things like sum intergals
- > over all possible paths (at least using the Feynman approach) the results
- > ultimately match the classical ones as far as delays go, (at least if the
- > paths are of macroscopic length) - even though the method of arriving at the
- > result is a lot different.
-
- Not in cases where you have to use the assumption that the wave function
- changes instantaneously when an observation is made. There is nothing
- remotely resembling this in classical theory.
-
- > As far as classical equivalents to the Aspect experiment go, I'm not as
- > sure as you are that something roughly analogous couldn't be thought up with
- > a pair of polarized beams randomly (but identically) phase modulated, but I
- > haven't really thought this through.
-
- I can be completely certain that you cannot reproduce the predictions of
- quantum mechanics using any current physical theory if you do not also use
- the assumption that the wave function changes instantaneously when an
- observation is made. There is no other nonlocal law in all of contemporary
- physics and thus there is no other way to get a prediction that Bell's
- inequality is violated. This assumption will not be found in any classical
- theory. In the near future I suspect it will not be found in any accepted
- physical theory. I think my proof will be a first step in getting the
- `ghosts and goblins' of action at a distance out of contemporary physics.
-
- Paul Budnik
-