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- From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Different kinds of fluids (was: bird in plane)
- Date: 8 Jan 1993 09:57:07 GMT
- Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
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- References: <1992Dec4.225154.27424@alf.uib.no> <1992Dec7.155530.9637@newshost.lanl.gov>
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- In article <1992Dec7.155530.9637@newshost.lanl.gov> u108502@beta.lanl.gov (Andrew Poutiatine) writes:
-
- >Air is in act a fluid,
-
- Yes.
-
- >and at atmospheric conditions it behaves very similarly to an
- >ideal fluid.
-
- What's that?
-
- >RW Fox and AT McDonald define a fluid in the book _Introduction
- >to Fluid Mechanics_ as "a substance that deforms continuously under the
- >application of a shear (tangential) stress no matter hOW small the shear stress
- >may be."
-
- Again, correct.
-
- > In fact that is the definition of a Newtonian Fluid.
-
- No. A Newtonian fluid has the additional property that shear stress and
- rate of deformation are proportional. The rate of proportionality is
- the viscosity. Many other fluids show more complicated behaviour,
- polymer melts are a classical example. Often, fluids show viscoelastic
- behaviour; if you choose your timescale short enough, you get elasticity;
- if you choose it long enough, you get viscous behaviour. Remember the
- bouncing putty?
-
- (As an aside, it is generally assumed that there is no such thing as a
- perfect Newtionian fluid, but you'd have to get down to about 10^-10 s
- to find viscoelastic properties in water, so it does not really
- matter...)
- --
- Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
- The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
- diagram.
-