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- From: holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
- Subject: Re: Philosophy before science ? (was : Seman
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- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:50:44 GMT
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- In article <102936.2005.14241@kcbbs.gen.nz> Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) writes:
- >
- >> Science *is* the study of basic facts, ....
- > (science, basic-facts)
- >
- >> ..time, space, matter, interactions, motion, change. All of these are
- >> basic facts.
- > (basic-facts)
- >
- >> Science is to be judged by facts...
- > (science, facts)
- >
- >However My Son!
- >'fact' is not a fact unless it is prescribed by a theory...in other words
- >there are NO facts in science unless we prescribe one by a theory...and when
- >you withdraw the theory away, all the facts attached to it disappear into the
- >thin air....
-
- This is pure, unadulterated nonsense. Theories arise in reaction to
- facts discovered beforehand (not by "induction", certainly, but there
- are facts before the theory). It's true that some facts framed in
- terms of a theory depend heavily on the theory itself for their sense,
- but not all of them.
-
- it is like this; if we didn't invent QM then we wouldn't have
- >electrons..but, of course, if electrons are _some_ facts for you :-> then
- >what would you do without QM, you would look like a fish out of pond
- :-)
-
- The discovery of the electron predates formal QM :-) :-)
-
-
- >
- >as you say, fortunately, the middle-ages are over with all their bogeys called
- >- scientific-facts...:-)
-
- There is a world, and some statements about it are true and known to
- us. The term "scientific facts" is unfortunate; "scientific" refers
- to the way the facts were uncovered, not any feature of the facts
- themselves.
-
-
- ..now we can live happily here-after without clinging
- >to some theories as if they were revealed words of the God...
-
- Such clinging would not be proper scientific methodology.
-
- and also
- >we don't confuse the revealed words of the God with
- scientific-facts....
-
- God reveals Its (real) Word only to those whose methodology is
- properly scientific :-)
-
-
- >:-)....happy ending....:-)
-
- If you say so.
-
-
- >
- >> Christoph Schiller
-
-
- --
- The opinions expressed | --Sincerely,
- above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes
- opinions of any person | Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
- or institution. | holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
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