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- From: schiller@prl.philips.nl (schiller c)
- Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech
- Subject: Re: Philosophy before science ? (was : Seman
- Message-ID: <schiller.726316570@hpas5>
- Date: 6 Jan 93 10:36:10 GMT
- References: <102936.2005.14241@kcbbs.gen.nz>
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- Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) writes:
-
- >However My Son!
- >'fact' is not a fact unless it is prescribed by a theory...in other words
- >there are NO facts in science unless we prescribe one by a theory...and when
- >you withdraw the theory away, all the facts attached to it disappear into the
- >thin air....it is like this; if we didn't invent QM then we wouldn't have
- >electrons..but, of course, if electrons are _some_ facts for you :-> then
- >what would you do without QM, you would look like a fish out of pond :-)
- >
- >as you say, fortunately, the middle-ages are over with all their bogeys called
- >- scientific-facts...:-)..now we can live happily here-after without clinging
- >to some theories as if they were revealed words of the God...and also
- >we don't confuse the revealed words of the God with scientific-facts....
- >:-)....happy ending....:-)
- >
-
- However my son ! Facts are never presecribed by theory, facts are the
- results of observation.
-
- For example, electrons were there much before quantum mechanics
- (at least 30 years before) when they were observed in Braun tubes
- and similar devices. By the way, your TV and your terminal
- (except if LCD) is a Braun tube, and a
- ray of electrons produces the image. No quantum mechanics is
- necessary to observe this fact ... :-)
-
- Your (wrong) statement that "if we didn't invent QM then we wouldn't have
- electrons" is a nice example which shows the difference between a
- fact (based on observation) and a speculation "prescribed" by
- what you (but not scientists) call a "theory", namely your
- conviction that theories precede facts ... :-)
-
- I guess you many :-) signs mean to show that you have some theory
- which comes before all your facts. Can you at least spell it out in more
- detail, to enlighten us more ? :-)
-
-
- Cheers
-
- Christoph Schiller
-