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- Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:50:39 CST
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- Newsgroups: sci.math
- Subject: Re: Job Application Skills
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- Uhhhhhh...........Well, at the risk of repeating some bad history.......
-
- Yes, recent graduates in Mathematics HAVE been having a rough time
- getting work, as almost everyone acknowledges right now (kind of like
- admitting that the weather has been getting cold). However, while I might
- respect the determination of someone who is about to renew his abandoned job
- hunt, I can't respect his judgement. After a while, one has to face the reality
- that a certain avenue of attack is futile, and try something else.
-
- Find an area of application, be it engineering, medicine, computer
- science, business, whatever - so long as your area of Mathematics finds real
- application there (I'm afraid that Differential Geometers are out of luck here)
- . Develop real expertise in that field, and branch out into it. Don't fall prey
- to the preconception that application work is dry and uncreative - far from it.
- OK, so you aren't going to get that academic post. It's a shame that you can't
- get the position you worked for, and that rather misleading NSF study came out
- (currently under Senate subcommittee investigation (Science & Technology)), and
- that you might have been denied the opportunity to make an informed decision
- about grad school. It's OK to be angry - you have every reason to be. But move
- on. And, you know, the academic life isn't perfect either - most faculty
- members don't have graders - and nothing is duller (or more time consuming)
- than grading. While you may have to do some research that isn't in your
- favorite area, and a lot of your time is taken up by it - faculty generally
- are burdened with their share of tedious responsibilities too.
-
- One thing you can't do is drift - you'll be doing that forever if you don't
- stop yourself. When planning out your additional education and work.....
-
- 1. Go out, and talk to people in the field about what the current work
- situation is really like.
-
- 2. When looking at a school, ask to see the placement statistics for their
- alumni, and what they do in general to help their students find work.
- If the answer is nothing - move on. Their reputation will not get you a
- job. Not even if they're Harvard (sad but true).
-
- 3. Graduate students in the applied sciences are not only allowed access to
- the labs - they're openly encouraged to work in them. Great chance for
- resume building. Also, there is no law against selling the products you
- might develop in the process of doing your research (often done).
-
- 4. Don't forget about consulting work (Wiley puts out a nice introductory
- guide). Remember, though, that you must have 5 years of work experience
- before you can legally call yourself a consulting engineer (at least
- here in Illinois).
-
- 5. Be sure to be active in those professional student organizations.
- Not only are they good learning opportunities, but a good one will
- get you valuable contacts, and possibly past the old boys network.
-
- 6. Try to maintain some vision of what, SPECIFICALLY, it is you're
- trying to accomplish (beyond "having lots of fun making big bucks").
- What are you going to help your company, society, etc. with ?
- What specific tasks are there that need doing, how do you plan on
- doing them, how are you preparing yourself ?
-
- Read through the trade journals to find out what the various companies
- and organizations are doing, what their products are, what their
- strenghts and weaknesses are. What research are their employees doing ?
- A look through the membership lists of the professional organizations
- will tell you where those in your field work - look up their
- publications. AND GO TO THOSE MEETINGS !
-
- In short, you're going to have to get aggressive in an organized fashion.
- (Oh, and when someone gives you figures - be sure to check around. Is this
- school as sucessful as it bills itself to be ? Talk to prospective employers
- about it). Mere persistance is futile - and don't think that anyone will be
- doing you any favors.
-
- It'll be hard, no matter what you do - but not impossible. It is worth the
- effort.
-
- Joseph B. Dunphy
- PhD Student, Mathematics - Indiana U. (on leave)
- Graduate Student - Electrical Eng. (U. Illinois
- at Chicago)
-
-