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- From: andrew@rentec.com (Andrew Mullhaupt)
- Newsgroups: sci.math
- Subject: Re: Looking for help
- Message-ID: <1444@kepler1.rentec.com>
- Date: 4 Jan 93 21:28:20 GMT
- References: <1993Jan4.140128.20155@choate.edu>
- Organization: Renaissance Technologies Corp., Setauket, NY.
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- In article <1993Jan4.140128.20155@choate.edu> jburne@spock.uucp (John Burnette) writes:
- >"Give two numbers, x and y, whose sum is rational and whose product is
- >irrational."
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- >x = .10100100010000....
- >y = .01011011101111....
-
- >Obviously x+y=1/9 (and, please, let's not start that thread again...)
- >but I've always been at a lost about x*y.
-
- It isn't entirely clear but I suppose that x is a Liouville* number, in
- which case it is transcendental. In particular no equation of the form
-
- x * (1/9 - x) = r
-
- holds for rational r. Note that you don't need transcendence - suppose
- that irrational x and y have rational sum s and product p. Then
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- x * y = x * (s - x) = p
-
- and x is a quadratic irrationality. So you can produce an answer to your
- question by choosing x to be any nonquadratic irrationality.
-
- Later,
- Andrew Mullhaupt
-
- *Or a Thue-Siegel-Roth number, etc. A lot of stuff might apply here and
- Mahler's book on Transcendental Numbers (Lecture Notes in Math)
-