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- From: sankar@lira.ecn.purdue.edu (Mahalingam Sankararaman)
- Subject: Re: Mat'ls meas. war stories
- Message-ID: <1993Jan9.210224.9365@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
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- Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:02:24 GMT
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- In article <0096652F.B2E94A20@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5916rahmank@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
- >In article <64400002@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, markus@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Markus Jansons) writes:
- >>
- >>
- >->Does any one have any interesting or new applications experience
- >->with maeterials measurments using "electrical" methods.
- >->
- >->For example, maeauring capacitance and then calculating dielectric
- >->constant? What did you use for fixtures or transducers? If you
- >->have or know of anyone doing or would like to do such measurements
- >->please advise me.
- >->
-
- What do you mean by fixers or transducers. If you just want to measure
- the capacitance, just sputter some electrodes such as platinum and use
- one of the instruments your company (HP) makes to measure the
- capacitance.
-
- But if your aim is to do materials characterization using Impedance
- Spectroscopy, then it is not trivial.
-
- >->It could be very beneficial for both of us.....
- >->
- >->markus jansons markusj@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com
- >-> 1-408-553-2727 voicemail.
- >
- > Perhaps the best way of doing the electrical characterization is
- > the use of Impedance spectroscopy a.k.a immittance spectroscopy.
- > J. Ross Macdonald's book is an excellent treatment on the whole
- > subject including experimental setups.
- >
- > -Anis.
- >>
- >>
-
-
- Impedance Spectroscopy, though it is been used for a long time, is
- still in its infancy. McDonalds book is perhaps the only book
- written on this subject. He is also responsible for coining the
- term Impedance Spectroscopy. I recently saw a company (Solartron ?)
- demonstrating ac measurements system using McDonalds methods and
- his software developments. But my concern is treating capacitances
- arising from real materials as ideal Debye capacitance. In fact it
- has been shown real material relaxation is non-ideal and in some
- cases it can be modeled in terms of an empirical formula to account for
- the frequency dependence.
-
- Sankar
-