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- From: alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson)
- Subject: Re: Locus of change (was Re: Bulgarians - descendents of a Finn..).
- In-Reply-To: delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Scott C DeLancey)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan12.015643.23202@leland.Stanford.EDU>
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- Reply-To: alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson)
- Organization: Cisco Systems (MIS)
- References: <1993Jan7. <Jan.6.23.54.18.1993.24244@pilot.njin.net> <1993Jan8.002127.20670@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1ikohsINN7rd@pith.uoregon.edu>
- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:56:43 GMT
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- In article <1ikohsINN7rd@pith.uoregon.edu>, delancey@darkwing (Scott C DeLancey) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan8.002127.20670@leland.Stanford.EDU> alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson) writes:
-
- >>But they don't. Exactly why they do change is an area of research. Clearly,
- >>the primary mechanism of change is the transmission problem: Children
- >>learning a language from their elders--not simply audlts but anyone more
- >>advanced in the language than they--do not learn to reproduce perfectly the
- >>learning of others.
- >
- >How "clear" is this, really? It's an old idea (there's a discussion of it in
- >Jespersen's _Philosophy of Grammar_ which is more intelligent than most
- >current references to it) but when has it ever been demonstrated as an actual
- >mechanism of language change? We know of two *demonstrated* sources of
- >change--non-native speakers and sociolinguistically motivated innovations of
- >the kind studied by Labov. The first involve adults, the second generally
- >adolescents. For "imperfect learning" to be a factor it would have to be a
- >normal thing for child language habits to be carried on into adulthood--what
- >evidence is there for this?
-
- Although I usually describe myself as an Indo-Europeanist, emphasizing my
- interest (& training) in historical and comparative studies, just as other
- historical linguists do, I also have a background in synchronic linguistics.
-
- In particular, I work as much as possible in the framework of natural phonology
- as defined by Stampe. In this framework, acquisition of language is viewed as
- a series of suppressions of processes and additions of rules by language
- learners, who need not be infants.
-
- Sociolinguistic forces at work among adolescents are a source of change, but
- each individual maintains a different idiolect, with idiosyncratic phonology.
- New rules added by (near) adult speakers may lead to restructuring of the set
- of suppressions among younger learners, so that the transmission of language
- itself contributes to change.
-
- It is not so much a matter of "child language habits" as of the nature of the
- language mechanism in the human mind, under this view.
-
- The mechanisms of morphological and syntactic change are much better under-
- stood: Given changes in phonology, adjustments at these levels may have to be
- made, and again the transmission problem intervenes.
-
- It was the utility of the process view of phonology for historical work that
- convinced me of the utility of the process view of phonology. I'm afraid that
- I have always viewed synchronic studies that way.
- --
- Rich Alderson 'I wish life was not so short,' he thought. 'Languages take
- such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
- --J. R. R. Tolkien,
- alderson@leland.stanford.edu _The Lost Road_
-