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- From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment
- Subject: Education and the Environment by Gregory A. Smith
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- Message-ID: <726746966snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au>
- References: <1993Jan9.012901.28461@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 10:09:26 GMT
- Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents
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- In article <1993Jan9.012901.28461@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu writes:
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- > >Let's see what sort of momentum can now be maintained . . .
- >
- > Except you forgot something.
- >
- > What about the argument that you bolstered with the bad etymology? Do you
- > now admit your position is weaker than you had thought, since one of the
- > pieces of evidence for it is bogus?
-
- No, I have not forgotten anything. My position has been clearly (and
- repeatedly) stated as seeking to bolster the level of discussion here,
- within the wider context of a persistently polarised, petty, sniping,
- zero-sum type of game among the American contingent here.
-
- The presentation of raw "facts" is only partly effective in pedagogy,
- and by no means edifies or enriches students particularly. As often as
- not such students emerge into their adult life wondering, "So what?",
- as I do of your endless, mindless "First World" political arguments.
-
- Throwing a real howler periodically into a thread (whose author had in
- fact begun to explain himself as it all appeared to get out of hand)
- with which I had no previous involvement at all, is quite a legitimate
- device. Indeed it got you all sitting up suddenly worrying about it.
-
- My old mate Professor McCarthy was the very first into the breach,
- although quickly followed by what I thought was a fine example of
- scholarship we have not seen here at all for quite some time.
-
- Pity the same people don't feel so ready to dive into the rest of the
- crap here, but feel so free to sponsor as much of it as they possibly
- can. Perhaps the bogus evidence (indeed more commonly *no* evidence
- whatsoever) you Americans present on a routine basis is to be valued
- above that of others, for some reason.
-
- Believe me, I feel no embarrassment among you people at all. Maybe
- some of you do know something within your own limited specialties, but
- as soon as you step out of your respective fields, into Anthropology
- for example, you stand as naked and ignorant as the day you were born.
- Preposterous in your howling incompetence, in fact.
-
- But you deal with it by disparaging the other discipline, by sitting
- there just waiting for the one single word of untruth in the volumes
- of their submission and then crying "Foul! All this scholar's work is
- to be dismissed as fraud!", and by fending off their other citations
- and evidence as mere propaganda.
-
- Honestly, I don't mind at all feeding you people as much rope as you
- want. I can drop a clanger in there anytime I chose, and when you get
- tangled in it and whinge and complain so loudly as you do I just take
- the opportunity to mock and ridicule you all the more, indeed with a
- great relish . . .
-
- On the other hand we can always pursue more reasonable standards of
- scientific and scholarly debate, yes?
-
- Gil
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