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- From: dc_ags@ac.nsac.ns.ca (Don Christie)
- Subject: Re: Off Thoughts. Sheep!?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.145017.25718@nstn.ns.ca>
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- Organization: Nova Scotia Agricultural College, Nova Scotia, CANADA
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- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:50:17 GMT
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- >>Well maybe get the land the same way my fthers and their father got the land by
- >>homesteading and then going and risking life to win it. Probably the same way
- >>most of your family once did. Maybe by some conquest. Main question is why must
- >>the FED own land? A governemtn that has financial independence from its people
- >
- >Why should the FED own land?
- >Because if there's one thing our recent environmental history has shown its
- >that the only thing worse than government ownership of land is private
- >ownership!
-
- I think there's another aspect to this... we discuss the basic rights and
- freedoms, and we talk about founding principles... but we don't seem to
- recognize the `driving force' behind those rights and principles.
-
- What I'm getting at is that our society is essentially driven by financial
- profit... most of the determination of whether a business or government
- (or the enterpries of individuals, for that matter) is worthwhile is based
- on the question of profitability. i.e. As long as it makes money, then there is
- nothing wrong with it.. (assuming it doesn't violate some ordnance or another
- which was put into place to protect the profitability of some other interest).
-
- So, from my point of view, the question of _who_ owns a given resource is
- immaterial... because the difference between right and wrong for that resource
- is ultimately going to be determined by the almighty buck!
-
- The men and women whose ideas became our rights and freedoms had no way to
- foresee how they would be interpreted in the late 20th century. If they could
- see the range of useless products, needless waste, the pollution and mayhem
- we have produced, they'd roll over in their graves!
-
- If Joe Herbie can make a buck producing and selling widgets, then Joe Herbie
- is allowed to make and sell widgets... regardless of whether or not the product
- is needed (or wanted).
-
- Our free democratic society has no mechanisms for determining exactly what
- _is_ needed, and for allocating resources to those endeavours which meet that
- criteria. We trust in the free market (driven by supply and demand) to make
- these determinations for us. The result is an industrial machine which
- consumes vast resources and creates untold damage to our environment... and
- which will cease and desist only when economics dictates. The spinoff
- effects of this allow consumers of these products to waste and pollute in
- their turn.
-
- In each case, as long as the individuals in question are spending their own
- money on goods and services of their choice, they feel quite justified in
- their assertions that they are doing nothing wrong. When others disagree,
- some clown will draw an arbitrary line in the sand and tell his/her
- neighbours to stay on their own side of the fence and mind their own business.
-
- I think we should re-think what we consider to be rights and freedoms... I
- think we should re-think the mechanisms we use to govern ourselves. None
- of the political systems we have devised to date actually work... absolutely
- NONE! We have come to the collective realization that no country or group
- of countries is really independent from the others... we all live on this
- little globe, and we're a whole lot closer to each other than we think.
-
- We delude ourselves into thinking that we are civilized... yet we are still
- spending over a trillion dollars a year on weapons to kill each other. We
- allow people to starve to death by the hundreds of thousands, and yet there
- is enough food being produced in the world to feed everyone. We have
- people in our society whose wealth defies expression, and yet within sight of
- their dwellings other people live in squalor.
-
- In my opinion, what we do not need is _more_ government involvement in our
- lives, and what we _do_ need is a system of government that actually does
- work... on a global scale.
-
-
-
-
- >
- >Some pieces of land are worth too much to break up and hand out to
- >homesteaders. The whole can be much more than the sum of parts.
- >
-
- //Don
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