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- From: bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner)
- Newsgroups: sci.econ
- Subject: Re: "Death of America"
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.220951.19974@bnr.ca>
- Date: 5 Jan 93 22:09:51 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.034309.17334@oracle.us.oracle.com> kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec23.163220.15747@bnr.ca> bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner) writes:
- >>[scenario deleted]
- >>I'm keeping my spreadsheet handy and my hand near the panic
- >>button.
- >
- >This kind of calculations is really scary:
-
- The previous post required proof that growth
- alone wouldn't solve the debt problem. The scenario indicated
- that (ignoring off-budget items), growth alone may just barely
- do the job. However, I made explicit note of the parameters
- of the scenario and the omission of unfunded liabilities
- (and other off-budget items). You did not reply to the
- request for proof; at least I demonstrated that there
- are reasons to not be sanguine.
-
- > It's impossible to do a complete, accurate
- > and dependable analysis of anything in economics, which tells you
- > something about the "scientific" nature of economics and
- > why relying on calculations like these to *live on the edge* is
- > complete nonsense.
-
- I did not suggest that anyone do any such thing.
-
- >
- >- Living on the edge till 1999 may be possible (not likely), but how close
- > to the edge are we after that? How long will it be until we can handle
- > an emergency without getting close to bankruptcy again????
- >
- >My entire message has been: let's not risk our future by playing with
- >this stuff. Don't do speculative analysis.
-
- Any analysis of possible outcomes is speculative.
-
- >Be proactive. Prevent the
- >crisis from happening in the first place. Stay far from fiscal limits.
-
- You have failed to provide your critics with a set of criteria
- by which to determine what those fiscal limits may be, or
- how far away the United States should stay.
-
- >Balance the budget.
-
- Whether or not a balanced budget is appropriate is a matter for
- debate.
-
- >
- >The proper role of economics, in the first place, should have been to tell
- >society to be conservative because it can only reliably do steady-state and
- >not dynamic analysis. But no, you guys choose to stay in your mathematically
- ^^^^^^^^
- I find this offensive.
-
- >rigorous but nonsensible world of models based on unrealistic assumptions
-
- Which of my assumptions were unrealistic? By leaving
- aside unfunded liabilities, I implied that they may not be met.
-
- >and ignore to warn the public of this MAJOR PROBLEM in our economy!
-
- It is not my patriotic duty to inform the public of the United
- States of problems in the United States economy, except insofar
- as it impinges upon my country.
-
- However, in sci.econ, misc.invest, and alt.politics.economics, I
- have chosen to sound cautionary notes. In can.politics, I have
- made similar noises about the Canadian situation.
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